Pro-Homosexual Pastor Fears End of Pension Plan

Pontificating from one of Minnesota's ugliest churches, Father Mike Tegeder, the Archdiocese's most outspoken non-Catholic has come out with guns blazing against the Archdiocese for its attempt to recover legal costs for an abuse claim against one of its alleged homosexual predators; he's right in a way, but wrong in so many others.  It's ironic how this demonstrates the tension which exists between the heterodox homosexual enablers within the official structure of the Church and the ACLU abetting Cultural Marxists on the outside.  The one provides a drum with which the other can perpetually beat.  As with the Scottsboro Boys, never mind them, the outrage of people against the Catholic Church caused by the abuse of innocent boys and children by homosexuals is priceless.

Father Tegeder goes on to also criticize the "Indian Liturgy" at Gitchitwaa Kateri, brainchild of hyper-relavent interior designer of ecclesiastical chic, the now mercifully retired, Father Notebaart:

Second, a letter was sent to all parishioners of the Native American Catholic parish in south Minneapolis, Gichitwaa Kateri, by their pastor suspending all Sunday Eucharists until further notice. He said he was doing it in the name of the Archbishop. The Archdiocese sent out the rather confusing clarification: “... due to a misunderstanding that resulted from efforts to address concerns proper to Gichitwaa Kateri, the Archbishop has directed that Mass not be offered ... until the pending matters might be resolved.” Denying the Eucharist over a “misunderstanding” is unprecedented.

In regards to that alleged "Liturgy," it's unfortunate that it wasn't closed down earlier or that it was allowed to exist for as long as it did.  It would  be an understatement to say of it that it constituted one continuous Liturgical abuse, and it is the only occurrence we know of today where the Archdiocese has closed down a modernist parish rather than the various conservatives ones, despite the false pretext offered that they were not financially sound.

 In any event, Father Tegeder goes on also to lament the issue of the pension plan that is drying up because of the collapse of the stock market.  A solution might be to cut liberal priests like Tegeder loose and let them fend for themselves on those Great Society programs they're so fond of campaigning for.  If you payed a settlement to liberal priests who refused to sign and solemnly swear to the Syllabus of Errors, that they hold none of those errors, some of them might actually not do it, and so, an enterprising and prudent Prelate could save tremendous amounts of money and we wouldn't have listen to insufferable sniping from the supporters of the Archdiocese's homosexual subculture.
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H/t: Stella Borealis. 

Read further about the Diocesan retirement plan cutbacks, here.

Cardinal Law to Retire

According to Pablo Rodari, at Apostolic Palace, Cardinal Law along with Cardinal Farina, Cardinal Rodé and Cardinal Dias are retiring.

Photo stolen from, here, a blog incidentally, we don't agree with when it comes to Cardinal Law.  Cardinal Law's worst crimes were related in every way to the Faith.  It might seem to some that he was never sufficiently punished for that.  Unfortunately, most people don't see the link between homosexual predation and doctrinal heterodoxy and religious indifferentists and pagans like, say, Arturo Vasquez, don't help much when it comes to the understanding, because they themselves don't understand the Catholic Faith.

New Kind of "Life" "Found" by NASA on Earth

Editor:  this is a major discovery, but it will take time to sort it out.  Some people will insist that life has been found elsewhere in the solar system.  In reality, this phenomenon has been discovered on Earth which suggests to hopeful scientists and enthusiasts the possibility of life elsewhere where carbon based life could not survive.

NASA has discovered a completely new life form that doesn't share the biological building blocks of anything currently living in planet Earth, using arsenic to build its DNA, RNA, proteins, and cell membranes. This changes everything. Updating live.

All life on Earth is made of six components: carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen, oxygen, phosphorus and sulfur. Every being, from the smallest amoeba to the largest whale, share the same life stream. Our DNA blocks are all the same. NASA scientist Felisa Wolfe Simon and her team have found a bacteria whose DNA is completely alien to what we know today. Instead of using phosphorus, the newly discovered microorganism—called GFAJ-1—uses arsenic for all its building blocks.

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Faith and Politics Meet: Pope Benedict on Faith and Legislation

Benedict XVI to the New Ambassador from Hungary:  Legislative initiatives which value alternative relationships and family models, will promote the relativization of legislation and awareness of values in society.

Rome (kath.net/as)This morning Pope Benedict received in audience the new Ambassador of the Republic of Hungary to the Holy See, Gábor Győriványi.  In his German address, the Holy Father recalled the reinstatement of diplomatic relations with the Holy See and the Hungarian Republic in 1990 and expresse the hope, "that the deep wounds of the materialistic conception of man, which after  45 long years years will strengthen and heal the heart and society of the citizens of your land, in a climate of peace, freedom and attention to the dignity of man."

Benedict XVI explained that the Catholic Faith belongs as the cornerstone of Hungary's history.  Politics and Christendom [Sic] were touched upon: "The Faith has its own certain and particular nature as an encounter with the living God, who opens a new horizon wide of an actual domain of reason.  But he is also a purifying power for the reason thereby, that he enables reason, to do Faith's work better and to better see its qualities.  For that reason commands and patterns of behavior which impose, which don't take part in the Faith.  It simply goes to the purification of reason, which will help, that which, what is good and just, which is understood here and now and then can be carried out".

The Pope underscored then that it is of importance that a new constitution of the land is inspired by Christian values, respects marriage and family, and defends the country.

"We all know, how much marriage and family are engangered today --  to which through the removal of its most essential values of the constancy and indissolubility on the basis of an increasing liberalization of divorce and increasing habit of cohabitation between man and woman without the legal recognition and the protection of marriage, to various other forms of life styles which have no foundation in the culture and legal history of Europe.

The Church can not endorse legislative initiatives which legitimate alternative partnerships and family models:  "They attack the principles of natural legal principles and thus are for the relatizing of  legislation and also the consciousness of social values."\


The rest of the Pope's speech is down at kath.net...

Calgary Anglican parish accepts Pope’s offer to join Rome

Perhaps this is jumping the gun, but it should be evident why the incoming Anglicans are regarded with such suspicion by many Bishops and their camp followers, they're afraid of being put out of work.

Calgary Anglican parish accepts Pope’s offer to join Rome

Pope Fulfills Request from Orthodox

ASTANA, Kazakhstan, NOV. 30, 2010 (Zenit.org).- Benedict XVI's secretary of state is in Kazakhstan delivering relics of the Apostle St. Andrew to both the Catholic and Orthodox Churches there.

Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone is on a six-day trip to the nation, coinciding with the OSCE (Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe) summit.

The journey also coincides with today's feast of St. Andrew, making the delivery of the relics particularly timely.

Benedict XVI calls on Chinese bishops to defend their faith “with courage”

Benedict XVI calls on Chinese bishops to defend their faith “with courage”

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"Marxist" Media Misses the Story on Pentagon Survey—Negative Responses Outnumber Positive on Virtually Every Question

You can portray a reality that doesn't exist to encourage the complicity of the easily led, but in reality most military men and women are opposed to the idea of serving with homosexuals. Check out the story at the Family Research Counci:

Media Misses the Story on Pentagon Survey—Negative Responses Outnumber Positive on Virtually Every Question

H/t: Stella Borealis

Reds at USCCB Continue to Promote "Disarmament"

In a tip of the cheese hat to /Antonio Gramsci, the gathered Catholic Bishops continue to undermine their homeland, their Church and the families they are sworn to protect.  Some people perhaps thought that there would be a major change, how wrong you were. Now Bishop Hubbard of the scandal ridden and heretical Albany Diocese is "peacemaking" in the Bernardinian style. How Bishop Hubbard has a job, much less how he's able to dictate to the United States how it should defend itself simply boggles the mind. So, not only is he running interference for homosexuals, posing as priests so they can prey on the young, but he's trying to prevent your homeland from defending itself from nuclear destruction.  Hey, do you really think it's a good idea to send money to your Archdiocese? 

Archbishop Dolan, Bishop Hubbard Voice Bishops’ Support for Ratification of Nuclear Arms Reduction Treaty

WASHINGTON (November 30, 2010)—The new president of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB) and the chairman of the U.S. bishops’ Committee on International Justice and Peace have urged the United States Senate to ratify the New START Treaty. The treaty, signed by President Obama and Russian President Dmitry Medvedev on April 8, would reduce the nuclear arsenals of both countries by 30 percent.

“The Church’s concern for nuclear weapons grows out of its commitment to the sanctity of human life,” wrote Bishop Howard J. Hubbard of Albany, New York, in a November 29 letter to the Senate. “Consistent with Catholic teaching, the Holy See and the U.S. bishops have long supported reducing the number of nuclear armaments, preventing their spread to other nations, and securing nuclear materials from terrorists. For decades they have promoted the twin and interrelated policy goals of nuclear disarmament and non-proliferation. We understand this is an ideal that will take years to reach, but it is a task which our nation must take up with renewed energy.”

Bishop Hubbard chairs the bishops’ Committee on International Justice and Peace....

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St. Paul Archdiocese Invites PR Problems: Then Drops Suit Against Victim Temporarily

Let's see, you get out from under a lawsuit where you may or may not have been negligent based on a legal technicality, in this case, statute of limitations, then you turn around and sue the alleged victim for court costs.  This may be standard operating procedure but is it vindictive, is it Christian?  It may discourage frivolous lawsuits, but will it help your public image?

We know that the overwhelming proportion of sex-abuse cases result from homosexuals preying on boys, we also know that the Archdiocese of St. Paul treats its homosexual enabling clergy with kid gloves and viciously attacks and systematically persecutes conservative clergy.  If anything, the Archdiocese should be sued for its Talking about Touching program and the verifiable fact that there are many clergy and educational institutions which do not hold the Church's teaching on a myriad of issues.

Is there any point at which this lawsuit against a former alleged victim can be considered good policy?  Perhaps if you're trying to discredit the Catholic Church you claim to represent it is.  Start cleaning the homosexual enablers and heterodox schools up and then we'll get a better idea of where you stand.

Even as we were writing this, the Archdiocese has "graciously" and wisely agreed not to follow through on the lawsuit, here.  But just the fact that they were willing to go through with this indicates a certain level of vindictiveness not uncommon in lavender seminaries and faculties dominated by inveterate homosexuals and their allies.

It might have had something to do with the plaintiff's tearful request that the identities of the pederastic homosexuals still at large be exposed by the Archdiocese, here:

Also Tuesday, plaintiff James Keenan came forward at the office of his attorney, Jeff Anderson & Associates, and disclosed his identity. Known in his lawsuit as John Doe 76C, he said his legal action was an attempt to force the archdiocese to disclose the identity of known pedophile priests.

The Archdiocese needs to start getting tough with its internal problems and existing homosexual enablers and friends within its ranks, then perhaps, you can stop enriching the coffers of Jeff Anderson at law who sends significant contributions to the ACLU and Democratic Farmer Labor party.

Catholic Serviceman Unjustly Imprisoned for Defending himself Against Community Organizer

Editor: A white male with a normal sexuality is attacked and drugged by a paunchy bear-like  community organizer, and the organizer is murdered in self-defense.  What you might not expect, unless you were from California, is that the man acting in self-defense could be thrown in prison for a very long time and despite being a model prisoner, denied parole.  It sounds similar to how the Archdiocese of St. Paul has recently counter-sued a young man who had a similar encounter with a homosexual many years ago, and were able to avoid paying because of the statute of limitations in an attempt to "recover its legal costs". 

In contemporary San Francisco, a heterosexual military male can no more expect justice than a black man could in Jim Crow Alabama.

This December marks the fifteenth consecutive Christmas Steven Nary will have spent in the bowels of the California correctional system. The state has guaranteed him no fewer than three more and possibly as many more Christmases as there are years in his life -- all of this for a "crime" that would not have even come to trial in most American cities. 

Nary's journey to hell began in San Francisco in the early morning hours of March 24, 1996. As it happens, this was 65 years to the day after the famed Scottsboro Boys began a similar journey. And although the good citizens of San Francisco are surely appalled at the fate that awaited these nine young black men, the Scottsboro Boys had more access to justice in 1931 Alabama than Nary would in 1996 San Francisco.

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Another article, which discusses Nary's prlight in prison which included being denied medical attention, light and air and exercise, here.

H/t: Pewsitter

Professor at the Catholic University of Munich is Sought by Police

Germany. Sheich Abu Adam (40) who is the Egyptian Imam of the Darul Quran Mosque in Munich is alleged to have beaten one of his three wives so that she suffers from many bone breaks.  This was according to the website of the 'Bayrischen Rundfunks'.  The victim is 31 years old.  She called the police by telephone.  These came and freed the woman and brought her to the hospital.  The Imam is wanted for the charge of causing dangerous physical harm.  He serves as the well regarded guest of the integration group of Munich's social services.  A week ago the Imam held at the Catholic University, a lecture which plays out the theme:  An Islam Which Distances Itself from Violence.


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Now Comes the Dam Break With Condoms: Opus Dei Bishop "Helps"

That was to be expected: An Austrian Opus Dei Bishop elongate the Pope's statement about condoms with the help of a rape example indirectly to marriage.

(kreuz.net, Sankt Pölten) "The expression of the Pope means no change to the teaching of the Church."

This was according to the Condom-Bishop of Saint Pölten, Msgr Klaus Küng, in an interview with the German newspaper 'Tagespost'.

Bishop Küng expressed himself on the most recent scandal revelation of the Pope about the condom.

For that reason he attempted to make things look as if Benedict XVI. supposedly had spoken against the fight against the sexually transmitted disease AIDS.

At the same time he explained that one that one has the experience world wide that the fight against AIDS is especially successful if people change their behavior:

"Where the fight against AIDS is only aimed at distributing condoms, only intensifies the spread of the disease."

That is proven -- the Bishop argues correctly.


The Condom Doesn't Avoid Infection

The comes -- as expected -- the big but.

There are people, who as far as the expectation of responsibility, to honorable truth and abstemiousness are "absolutely not amenable".

In the mileu of drugs or prostitutes there is no situation, where it is supposedly better, to a supposed "avoidance of infection by using a condom".

That is no relativism of the Encyclical 'Humanae Vitae' (1968).

It is "exclusively for the avoidance of infection".

Truthfully the Bishop had only to have spoken of a mere reluctance of infection.

Something Bad is never Responsible

At the same time Msgr Küng values it as "new that the Pope has held the use of condoms in these cases as a first step toward the discernment of responsibility."

This fatal rejection of every moral teaching alters -- according to the Bishop -- supposedly nothing, that the "object" always consists "in changing false behavioral pattern".

Confusion as Clarification

The expression of the Pope's -- which has led to incredible confusion worldwide  -- is for Msgr Küng a contribution "to a necessary clarification."

Msgr Küng remembers then that he himself some months ago "in a similar way" had defended the prophylactic for male sexual organs:

 "Still another time: It doesn't come down to changing the teaching of the Church, rather for an important differentiation."

He said, here:

"On the other hand I have maintained that it is -- according to the same Church teaching-- possibly allowed to gives condoms to people, who are not prepared, to listen to the teaching of the Church, for example people who are dependent on drugs."

Then the Bishop rumages for a notable example:

"When for example a man suffering from AIDS is in a way is understandable and a non-correspondence  of his employment of force after he attracted, could his wife in such a situation justifiably suggest that a condom is used, because it means an avoidance of the danger of infection."

That is in any case not in contradiction to "Humanae Vitae" -- explained the Bishop:  "In such situations it is not contraception which is the goal of the use of the condom, rather the protection from infection."

That's right, but it has nothing with sexual morality, rather it only has to do with self-defense.

In contrast, the Pope explained that the use of condoms  could be "a first step to a moralization".

With that he maintains that through the purchase and use of condoms, he might become a better man.


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Bishop Pates of Des Moines is Challenging New Abortionist

COUNCIL BLUFFS, Iowa, November 30, 2010 (LifeSiteNews.com) - Bishop Richard Pates of Des Moines has not taken lightly the news that a notorious late-term abortionist is seeking to move into his backyard.

The Iowa prelate has issued a call-to-arms to local Catholics against plans by abortionist Leroy Carhart to move his business to the area.

Carhart left his longtime abortion location in Bellevue, Nebraska after the state passed a bill banning abortion after 20 weeks’ gestation. He has since aroused widespread indignation from Iowa pro-lifers with his plans to resume aborting late-term children in Council Bluffs, Iowa.

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Father Altier is Back on Line After Imposed Exile

He didn't learn to preach like this at Saint Paul Seminary

Father Altier's sermons can be heard here.  He's finally back on line after being silenced by the old Liberal Archbishop Harry Flynn for speaking out against the Diocesan indemnification program, "Talking About Touching".

It would be nice to hear Father back on Relevant Radio again since while he was on it, it actually sounded like a Catholic radio station as it somewhat misleadingly represents itself to be.

Back in 2006, Father Altier was indeed unjustly silenced and relegated to a funeral home assignment, despite the very liberal Dennis McGrath's claims to the contrary:

Father had indeed frequently and inappropriately (if not disobediently) criticized the archbishop and archdiocesan leaders (and not simply on the VIRTUS child protection/education program). The archbishop responded to that request by Father Altier with a kind and non-confrontational letter directing him to take a break from his radio and web site commentaries to concentrate on his pastoral work. There was no 'silencing' or 'censuring' involved.

Aside: Meanwhile, Pro-Homosexual priests like Father Tibesar, Father Tegeder and Fr. John Bauer are priests in good standing in the Archdiocese to this very day.  There have been no apparent attempts to discipline them. In fact Fr. John Bauer was even entrusted to close down the Traditional Latin Mass Center of St. Augustine's without much adieu from the comfort of his Soho digs near the Purple Basilica where the parish officially promotes the normalization of homosexuality at Gay Pride every year.


If it is true that as the Church teaches that it is a disgrace for a man to lie with a man and that sodomy is a "sin which cries out to heaven for justice", why is it that one of the Archdiocese few orthodoxy priests who meekly submits to the authority of his wicked Bishop, isn't more forcefully reproved, but is indeed tolerated and even encouraged?


H/t to Terry Nelson for this,

Man Fined in Austria for Offending Muslim by Yodelling

[Jihad Watch] "It was not my intention to imitate or insult them. I simply started to yodel a few tunes because I was in such a good mood." Not anymore. "Yodelling offends praying Muslims, say judges," from the Austrian Times, November 29 (thanks to C. Cantoni):

An Austrian has been fined for yodelling while mowing his lawn, according to a report. The Kronen Zeitung newspaper claims Helmut G. was told by a court in Graz, Styria, that his yodelling offended his next-door Muslim neighbours.

The men reportedly accused the 63-year-old of having tried to mock and imitate the call of the Muezzin. The daily paper writes the Austrian was fined 800 Euros after judges ruled he could have tried to offend them and ridicule their belief. The Muslims, whose nationalities were not revealed by the report, were right in the middle of a prayer when the Austrian started to yodel.

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Cardinal Puljic Must Vacate Residence-- Sarajevo Court Upholds Communist Decision: Croatia in an Uproar

(Sarajevo)  In the past 17th of November there was a final judgement by the Bosnian-Herzegovinan Federal Government in Sarajevo, has ordered the vacation of the residence of the Archbishop of Vrhbosna-sarajevo, Vinko Cardinal Puljuic, from the Episcopal Palace.  The residence, the property of the Curia, was confiscated in the past by the Communist regime, to house there Communist or Muslim spies, according to Corrispenza Romana.

During the Bosnian war the Cardinal was again in occupation of the residence.  Not just the residence, but the entire Palace was bugged with listening devices, including the bedroom of the Cardinal.  The widow and the other relatives of the last, Communist spy, who had continued to live in the residence and has died, complained to the court and demanded the return of the residence.  15 years after the reinstatement to the rightful owner, the Archdiocese of Vrhbosna-Sarajevo, the Federal Government of Sarajevo unexpectedly ruled in favor of the widow which was in transgression of every fundamental law.  On the 17th of November the court decided that the Archdiocese, which which had been stolen by the Communist regime and given to a Communist Agent, must now deliver it to his widow.  At the same time, the court has ordered Cardinal Puljic to leave the residence.  The Cardinal has stoutly replied that he will not leave the residence.

The Croatian Press in Bosnia, the Herzegovina and Croatians have been in an uproar since the judgment.  A wave of protest has gripped Croatia.  There are voices, who are speaking in preparation of a Croatian mass demonstration in Sarajevo, to which Croatians will come from all of their accustomed areas to gather in the Bosnian Capital.

This renewed attack on the Catholics of Croatia in Bosnia-Herzegovina are met with general silence by the  international community of nations, which holds Bosnia-Herzegovina in a protective status.  Cardinal Puljic protests to the high representatives of Bosnia-Herzegovina, the Austrian diplomat Valentin Inzko, against the judgment.  The  Kärntner Slovene explained simply that it can do nothing.  A witness to the Cardinal's consequent discussion with a Slovenian Bishop along with Inzko has encouraged heavy condemnations to the UN-delegation and EU-special agent against this act of piracy.

Inzko works as the higher representative with plenary powers in Bosnia-Herzegovina.  Against every form of open rights violations or discriminating judgments he can intervene directly and immediately, and officially remove those responsible from their offices, be they civil servants, mayors, judges or even ministers.

These plenary powers are in any case never invoked in the case of decisions related to political questions, behind them the Muslim party of the Democratic Alliance (SDA) stands, as they are permitted by corresponding directives from the American Government.  The SDA is the strongest party in Bosnia since 1990 and has formed all of the governments.  The Catholic Croatians with some 17 percent are not only the smallest of the three Bosnia-Herzegovina populations and religious communities united by force, but they are certainly the most discriminated against.

(Corrispondenza Romana/Giuseppe Nardi, Bild: de.academic.ru)

Also reported on,  here. 

Translated from katholisces...

A Lübeck Priest is Suspended from Ministry: Homosexual Clergy and Lay Professionals are Being Phased Out

Edit: No one is being forced to become a priest here.  There are rules and as it turns out, there are good reasons for them. In any event, things are being done to deal with this obvious problem.  As with the case of David Berger, if you think you're going to get a pass on your behavior because you're witty and know about how to match the tea set with the drapes, you're sadly mistaken.  Laughably, the Lutheran Communion is being cited as an example.  If you want to fade into irrelevance, the way of multi-Culturalism is the way to go.


Lubeck -- The Catholic Church put a cleric on leave because of "priestly lapse".  Critics speak of hypocrisy.[They can't speak about much else besides sex, so it's a slight reprieve]

The Catholic Church in Lubeck removed a homosexual Pastor from further service. [Good.] The 40-year old churchman had made his inclination known in a corresponding internet-forum.

The Masses in the little St. Vecelin Community had been since that point read by Provost Franz Mecklenfeld,  because the Church had a personell problem there.  Since the summer Matthias T. aged 40 has been absent..  The priest had been put on leave by Archbishop Werner Thissen.  The Church does not want to hang its personell issue from the clock tower for everyone to see.  The parishoners however are firing the wildest rumours into the air.  "No one has been harmed, neither physically nor materially", explained the community spokesman Werner Schroeder.  He would not give further information.

Matthias T. is homosexual. [Allegedly]  That is in no way punishable in the Catholic Church -- so long as it remained his private affair. [Nor is this true] Homosexuals are not supposed to be priests in any case, as the Vatican has most recently declared.  If their inclination, however, is discovered at first, the Church passes it over in silence-- so long as the person concerned isn't "outed". T, however was traveling a corresponding internet-forum [gayromeo.com], and had made his homosexuality known and probably  cemented some contacts in the homosexual scene.  On the "ultraconservative" site www.kreuz.net the controversy was discussed on the net.  Critics spoke of the "prostitution of a cleric".

"It was handled like a priestly lapse", came the monosyllabic reply from the Archdiocese of Hamburg.  "Our personell department is occupied with the case," said the Diocesan speaker Manfred Nielen.  Since 6. Juli the cleric has been deprived of full faculties.  The punitive and relevant proceedings as being speculated by the community, were not weighed against the 40 year old.

The Pastor had left Lubeck in the meantime, because he had to leave his home.  Pikant:  Matthias T. was employed by the Hamburger Archbishop of Lubeck as a student chaplain.  The position is vacant to date.  T. was also active in the confession and communion ministry for children.

"We must be responsible", explained Provost Mecklenfeld, Christian Weisner, presiding member of the people's movement "We Are Church", said in contrast: "Increasingly more gays don't want to live a double life any more, are tired of the secrecy".  The double standard [sic] of the Catholic Church puts those concerned under tremendous pressure.  Many clerics break down. [Lots of jobs out there besides being a priest that are better paying]

Homosexuality remains for the Catholic Church a red hankerchief. In the book just now presented in Rome the Pope is cited as saying this sentence: "It [the homosexuality] remains something, that is against whose nature is placed, what God had originally  desired."  According to appraisals from "We Are Church"  there are at least 20 percent of all Catholic Priests who are homosexual.  In the Roman Catholic Church the priests promise an unmarried state (Celibacy).

In the North Elba Evangelical Lutheran Church [NEK] homosexuality is not a hindrance  either for ordination or for the carrying out of its spiritual office.  Already in 1986 the NEK-Synod had spoken out against the discrimination of homosexual persons.  "In the meantime there has been a number of Pastors and Pastorettes who are also living in homosexual partnerships", explained Vice Church Spokesperson, Thomas Kärst [But Lutheranism is effectively dead in Germany anyway, so why does it matter?]

By Curd  Tönnemann

Link, here...