Showing posts with label Rome Conference. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Rome Conference. Show all posts

Saturday, February 18, 2012

Ultra-Liberal Cardinal Ricard Rejects SSPX: What Will Pope Say?

Edit: A very Liberal French Cardinal Ricard is making irresponsible statements for the French Press about the incompatibility of the SSPX with Rome. Of course, he refers to the Society with a haughtiness which puts his objectivity and judiciousness in doubt. In any event, it was understood that the CDF had already rejected the SSPX response and forwarded it on to the Holy Father anyway, some people just can't help themselves. The last weeks have also seen Vaticanistas and others in the European press attempting to poison the well with respect to this decisions. Whatever Cardinal Jean-Pierre Ricard says, it's not his decision, it's the Holy Father's to make.

After reading Cardinal Ricard's remarks complaining that the Society doesn't accept "evolution", I have to ask which Council it is that he was discussing while on the panel with his Episcopal colleagues, +Müller, +Koch, +Kasper and +Schönborn. Vatican II said far less on evolution than it did on "respect for other denominations and religions". It brings to mind a familiar question, "Just which Vatican Council do you wish us to adhere, my Lord?"

We picked up the following from the blog Chiesa e post concilia via Messa in Latino, and this is a google x-late with some brushing up:

Cardinal Ricard confirms the disagreement of Rome with the "integristes".

The French Cardinal Jean-Pierre Ricard, Friday, February 17, said: is there an "acknowledgment" of the disagreement between the Catholic Church and the traditionalist Society of St. Pius X, because they insist on rejecting "big statements" of the council Vatican II. 

 "We are in a situation where there is an 'acknowledgment' of the disagreement, not only sull'interpetazione [ambiguous] passages of text on the council but the council itself and the Magisterium (....) Popes on a number of "large claims Council": This was the opinion expressed by the Bishop of Bordeaux, present in Rome for the Consistory in which they will have created 22 new Cardinals. In September, the Holy See had made ​​a gesture to the Priestly Fraternity, separated from Rome since 1988. The proposed acceptance as part of a "preamble" of "principles" ahead of his return into communion with the Catholic Church. But since then, the Fraternity founded by Mons. Marcel Lefebvre did not accept the offer, by providing many documents in the Vatican last January, while his superior, Mgr. Bernard Fellay, and other officials publicly expressed their strong dissatisfaction. [Actually, it was quite mild and docile, certainly not like many French Bishops who steadfastly refuse to obey the Holy Father in their own right.]

 Bishop Fellay, after February, had insisted that a reintegration might take effect only if their resolute rejection of the Council had been accepted by Rome. The Second Vatican Council has recognized religious freedom, respect for other Christian denominations and other religions, and evolution which is catastrophic in the eyes of Lefebvrians. This waste "is not acceptable," he insisitito Mgr. Ricard, who attended the Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei, in charge of examining the integralist dossier.  "THE POPE AND 'COME TO THE FULLEST" "The Pope has attempted at the most, has done much to get closer, to accept a number of preconditions . But now is the time when he can not refuse to accept, that not just the Council but which becomes apparent rejection of the teaching of successive popes from John XXIII to Benedict XVI, the Catechism of the Church and the Code of Canon Law . Because this code and this Catechism "is the implementation of the right teaching and catechesis of the Council," he said, "Rome will say to them, the door remains open, but this time it is you need to take a step forward and riprendiate contacts," said the French cardinal.

Monday, November 28, 2011

Msgr Fellay Interviewed in DICI on Preamble

Edit: the door is still open. Discretion is the word of the day. Part of the solution is a waiting game too as more and more Old Liberal Bishops, priests and religious die off and are replaced by younger, more conservative people, as Bishop Fellay says,

Some young bishops and priests who are inheriting this situation are becoming more and more aware of the sterility of 50 years of openness to the modern world. They do not place the blame exclusively on the secularization of society; they are asking about the responsibility of the Council which opened the Church up to a world that was becoming completely secularized. They wonder whether the Church could adapt to modernity to that extent without adopting its spirit.

Why is the Doctrinal Preamble that Cardinal Levada delivered to you on September 14 still surrounded by so much secrecy, both on the part of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith and by the Society of St. Pius X? What is this silence hiding from the priests and faithful of Tradition?

This discretion is normal for any important proceeding; it ensures the seriousness of it. It so happens that the Doctrinal Preamble that was delivered to us is a document which can be clarified and modified, as the accompanying note points out. It is not a definitive text. In a little while we will draw up a response to this document, noting frankly the doctrinal positions that we regard as indispensable. Our constant concern since the start of our talks with the Holy See—as our interlocutors know very well—has been to present the traditional position with complete loyalty.

Discretion is required on Rome’s part also, because this document—even in its present state which needs many clarifications—runs a great risk of arousing opposition from the progressives, who do not accept the very idea of a discussion about the Council, because they consider that this pastoral council is indisputable or “non-negotiable”, as though it were a dogmatic council.

Link to DICI...

Wednesday, September 14, 2011

Preamble for Reonciliation With SSPX Allows Critical Discussion of Vatican II

Edit:  It's time for the neo-Conservatives to start eating some crow.  Wait, you can actually criticize Vatican II and still be Catholic?  Wow.

After conferring the leadership of the Society of St. Pius X, it is likely this document will be signed as it will allow the SSPX to continue its measured and reasonable criticism of the Vatican Council Documents.

In the linked article below, Bishop Fellay describes a phone conversation he had with Cardinal Hoyos wherein the Cardinal admitted that +Fellay could have such reservations and level those criticisms while being Catholic at the same time.

Today, for the sake of objectivity, I must acknowledge that in the doctrinal preamble there is no clear-cut distinction between the inviolable dogmatic sphere and the pastoral sphere that is subject to discussion. The only thing that I can say, because it is part of the press release, is that this preamble contains “certain doctrinal principles and criteria for the interpretation of Catholic doctrine, which are necessary to ensure faithfulness to the Church’s Magisterium and to "sentire cum Ecclesia" [thinking with the Church]. At the same time, it leaves open to legitimate discussion the examination and theological explanation of individual expressions and formulations contained in the documents of Vatican Council II and of the later Magisterium.” There you have it; no more and no less.

Link to here...Dici

Rome Expects Certain Conditions For Reconciliation With SSPX

Edit: apparently there will be ground rules the SSPX will be expected to follow in its resistance to the principles of Vatican II. It's interesting to note, and worth repeating, that many allegedly Catholic Bishops in good standing with the Vatican don't actually follow many principles outlined in the Vatican documents themselves.

This should be interesting.

Also taking into account the concerns and the issues presented by the SSPX regarding the integrity of the Catholic faith considering the hermeneutic of rupture of the Second Vatican Council with respect to Tradition – mentioned by Pope Benedict XVI in his Address to the Roman Curia of December 22, 2005 – the CDF maintains that a fundamental basis of full reconciliation with the Apostolic See is the acceptance of the Doctrinal Preamble which was delivered during the course of today’s (Wed., September 14th, 2011) meeting. This preamble enunciates some of the doctrinal principles and criteria for the interpretation of Catholic doctrine necessary to guarantee fidelity to the Magisterium of the Church and sentire cum Ecclesia (thinking with [the mind of] the Church), while at the same time leaving the theological study and explanation of particular expressions and formulations present in the texts of the Second Vatican Council and of the Magisterium that followed it open to legitimate discussion.

In the course of the same meeting, some elements were proposed regarding a canonical solution for the Priestly Fraternity of Saint Pius X, which would follow the eventual and hoped-for reconciliation.

Link to The Vatican Today...

Saturday, August 20, 2011

General Superior of the SSPX Called to Rome

Edit: the following has been translated from the Society Website of Germany and he requests prayers. This was previously reported by Mundabor.

The General Superior and his two assistants, Father Niklaus Pfluger and Father Alain-Marc Nely have been invited to a special meeting in Rome on 14. September 2011.

 This is according to Father Franz Schmidberger of Germany in the forward to his next newsletter.

Here it is:

"Exactly in this sense we ask you to raise your prayers to heaven for the 14th of September. On this day, on the Feast of the Holy Cross, Msgr Fellay, our honorable General Superior, has been ordered to an audience by Cardinal Levada, the Prefect of the Congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith, in regard to the outcome of the two year doctrinal talks between the Holy See and the Priestly Society."

It is noteworthy that not only the General Superior, but the General Counsel of the Priestly Society of St. Pius X has been ordered to Rome: The General Counsel consists of the General Superior and his assistants.

The Society has established preparations with the Talks with the Holy See under the direction of Bishop de Galarreta which has been left in a very good climate.

It is generally understood that this meeting will turn to the canonical situation of the Society.

Pope Benedict XVI has lifted the Decree of Excommunication of 1988 on 21. January 2009. (Dekret nachlesen) Since then the Society is no longer "excommunicated", therefore the question of the canonical status is left unanswered all along.

Opponents of the Society of St. Pius X., above all the German Episcopate, have used this as a pretext in the recent past, to deny any collaboration with the Society. Recent examples are the First home Mass of Father Jeindle in the Diocese of Vienna as well as the national Pilgrimage to Altötting in July of this year.

All Catholics, who receive the Sacraments in the churches and chapels of the Society of St. Pius X in Germany, are requested to offer their prayers for this meeting on the Feast of the Holy Cross.

Link to the German District Website...

Wednesday, July 27, 2011

The SSPX Talks Are Not a Failure

The Italian District Superior of the Society of Pius X: "the goal of the talks were never conceived to produce a settlement. "

(  It is a "judgement afflicted with error", to characterize the talks of the SSPX with the Vatican as broken.

This was explained by the District Superior of the Society of Pius X, Father Davide Pagliarani, on the 26th of July in an interview with the famous website ''.

This Danger Never Came to Pass

This impression could only be had by someone whose expectations of the event, were not part of its intent in the first place:

This Dossier is reserved for the Pope and the General Superior of the Society.

"In view of the fact that both commissions worked patiently and essentially touched all of the daily points of order, I don't view that one could hold that the talks were a failure" -- said Father Pagliarani.

For him, the talks would have been a failure, if the representatives of the Society had prepared a proposal, "which didn't exactly express, what the Society believed, for example, if they had said that Collegiality or Religious Freedom which are in the modern world, can be joined completely with Tradition."

Father believes, however, that this fear did not come to pass.

Still A Few Years?

On the contrary Father Pagliarani stressed the importance of the witness of the Society and its mission for the health of the Church and Tradition during its talks with the Vatican.

As related the integration of the Socieety with the Conciliar Church he thinks:

"The canonical situation, in which the Society presently finds itself, is a consequence of its resistance against the errors, which are overflowing the Church."

For that reason the Society depends on the possibility, to reach a regular Canonical situation, not from that in itself, "but rather upon that which the hierarchy accepts the mission, with which it can accept the contribution to Tradition for the renewal of the Church."

If one succeeds at canonical regularization, then it only means "that the Hierarchy it still not sufficiently convinced of the necessity and importance of this contribution."

In this case, one must still wait for a few years.

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Thursday, May 19, 2011

More Mistaken Notions About the Rome Conferences with the SSPX

Editor: There's a lot more docility on the part of the SSPX to what the Vatican says it wants; but William Oddie says that he's a Papal Loyalist, understandably so for the SSPX has shown time and time again that it has been more loyal to the Holy Father than the men who are supposed to be in union with him. Incredibly, he talks about the mainstream Catholic. Actually, if the numbers on birth control and actual knowledge of the average layman to be believed, most Catholics are not Papal Loyalists. They don't either believe or understand most Catholic doctrine, and they don't practice what the Catholic Church teaches by and large. On the other hand, it's your SSPX types who are on board with the Pope on Birth Control, Homosexuality, the Hierarchy and a host of other issues.

I suppose the Guardian just hopes to portray the Traditionalist position as ridiculous, but William Oddie's expectations and explanations really fly in the face of reality when he writes the following:

Well, I can’t say I’m neutral between the two points of view, definitely tending towards being a “papal loyalist” (despite some discomfort over Assisi, I think it’s just about defensible), though how high-minded you need to be to hold such views I’m not sure: it seems to me it’s a perfectly normal for a mainstream Catholic to be loyal to the pope. ['d think...]

The real question is whether there was ever any realistic prospect that there might be any kind of rapprochement. Rome’s view is that the SSPX can be as critical as it likes about the distortions of Vatican II – what Pope Benedict calls “the hermeneutic of discontinuity and rupture” – but in the end it has to accept the essential Catholicity of the Council itself. This seems to me entirely reasonable. SSPX actually demands that Rome should repudiate the Council and accept that the Mass of Paul VI is invalid, even Protestant.

Wednesday, May 18, 2011

Bishop Fellay of SSPX Has Mixed Reactions about Clarification: Sees no Reconcilation Short Term

Editor: The future's uncertain and the end is always near.

Clarity is not the Charism of the Conciliar Church

The General Superior of the Society of Pius X has made it clear that a reconciliation with the Vatican is not foreseeable "in the short term".

(, Stuttgart)  The instruction 'Universae Ecclesiae' has affirmed the importance of the Old Mass for the whole Church.

Bishop Bernard Fellay -- the General Superior of the Society of St. Pius X -- said this in a German video interview with the website ''.

This occured on Tuesday at during a visit by Msgr Fellay in Stuttgart.

The Bishop was leased that Bishops and Priests will be permited to offer the Old Rite.

At the same time Msgr Fellay sees shadows in the Instruction.

Legitimacy of the New Mass

The Bishop especially criticized number 19 of the Instruction.

It reads: "The faithful who ask for the celebration of the forma extraordinaria must not in any way support or belong to groups which show themselves to be against the validity or legitimacy of the Holy Mass or the Sacraments celebrated in the forma ordinaria or against the Roman Pontiff as Supreme Pastor of the Universal Church."

The General Superior took the entire paragraph to mean that the legitimacy of the New Mass may not be doubted.

Actually, it's a fact "that probably ninety percent of those, who are attending the Old Mass see."

Because: Why should one attend the Old Mass if one is happy with the New -- asked the Prelate.

With this point, the Society is "surely not pleased".

Careful Criticisms

Additionally, Msgr Fellay criticized number 31 of the Instruction. There, the Diocesan Bishops are strenuously forbidden to offer Priestly ordinations in the Old Rite.

The section from 31 reads: 31. "Only in Institutes of Consecrated Life and Societies of Apostolic Life which are under the Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei, and in those which use the liturgical books of the forma extraordinaria, is the use of the Pontificale Romanum of 1962 for the conferral of minor and major orders permitted."

Bishop Fellay had hoped for the same openness to ordination as with the Mass.

As a whole he greets the new Instruction "with mixed feelings".

As far as that goes, he hopes that the good will grow and that the Old Mass will be more and more celebrated.

No Reconciliation in the Short Term

Of the Conferences with the Vatican, Msgr Fellay said that he remains committed to them.

If it will produce a common clarification or not, only the future can tell.

The Bishop isn't expecting too much.

In the short term he does not see a reconciliation. The Society should not expect that Rome will suddenly say: "I was wrong".

Long term Msgr Fellay hopes for certain emendations -- especially of the Pastoral Council:

"It is very, very difficult, to say anything clear about the results of the Discussions."

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Sunday, April 3, 2011

Pope May Offer the Society a Personal Ordinariate

Msgr Galarreta leads Rome Talks for SSPX
Editor: More speculation arising, surrounding Bishop Williamson's statement last year about the possibility of a Motu Propio.

The Holy see is ascertaining the possibility of the unifying of the Society of St. Pius X by erecting a Personal Ordinariat.

As far as concerns the question of a form in church law for the Society founded by Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre,  the Vatican appears to be considering the erection of a Personal Ordinariat.  since Autumn 2010 Canon lawyers have been studying this idea.  One such canonical solution for the Society put in a quasischismatic situation by the 1988 Episcopal consecrations will be proposed by the summer.  This was reported on the French site Summorum Pontificum observatus.

In the French rea of Catholic traditionalism it is presently an exchange of blows taking place.  The page Disputationes Theologicae, which is made up of members affiliated with  the Institute of the Good Shepherd is driven to view the talks between the Holy See and the Society of St. Pius X as "abortive".  Similarly, American Vaticanist John Allen understands from explanations from Abbé de Caquera and Bishop Williamson, one of the four Bishops of the Society.

Summorum Pontificum observatus sees behind the voices, which have attempted to put the discussions in a negative light, "an active minority of French priests of the Pius Society" at work, "who dismiss canonical reognition".  These critics are internal to the society to which belong the French District Superior, Bishops Tissier de Mallerais as well, who have described Pope Benedict XVI earlier this year as "supermodernistic", according to Messsa in latino.

Summorum Pontificum observatus reports also the voices which speak of a failure of the talks between Rome and the Society being "unfounded".   The emerging  offer of the Holy See, to erect for the Society a Personal Ordinaria as a canonical structure within the Church, is a "treat opportunity".  They would secure the independence of the Society from the Diocesan Bishops.  It is a particular concern of the Pope to offer the Society a solution which is canonically reliable.

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Friday, March 11, 2011

Talks With SSPX to End in Spring: Bishop Williamson's Letter

Editor: this is's version. We haven't seen it anywhere else but on

Society of Pius Bishop Richard Williamson has criticized the "untrue Romans". The Conciliar Church will fall because it is not concerned with reality.

( The speech between the Vatican and the Society of St. Pius X will "in all likelihood" come to an end this Spring.

That was explained by St. Pius X Bishop Richard Williamson last Saturday in his weekly e-mail column.

Actually there is no "prospect for an understanding".

Accordingly Msgr Fellay had explained in any case only that the talks "are coming to an end" -- without naming a date.

Is the Church Like Christ going to the Cross?

Msgr Williamson recalled then that the life of the Church is formed on the life of Christ.

The Catholic must subject himself like Christ in the Passion to the divine will.

That is for Msgr Williamson: "As no other institution in the world is built inherently on the truth like the Catholic Church that its continuity and its truth is dependent on reality."

He was critical in that the Conciliar Church has placed human interests on the same place with divine truth. This is also wherein he foresees the fall of the Conciliar Church.

The Society of St. Pius May Dissolve Itself

Msgr Williamson underscores that most people can hardly recognize the truth.

Actually he makes himself dependent upon "the right and the capability" of the Roman Clergy to order the Church, precisely from their fidelity to this truth.

The Society is concerned for its side only in the truth of reality in the right and its obligation to "stand against the untrue Romans".

If the Society remains true, it will outlive it.

Of course the Pius Bishop hopes that Rome, through a "return to the truth", will persist and make the Society of St. Pius X unnecessary.

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Saturday, October 23, 2010

Bishop Fellay Sees Prophesies: Cardinal Against Cardinal

All Against All -- That is the Common-Theology of the Second Vatican Council

The General Superior of the Society of Pius X: "We find ourselves in a time, which was unforseen, that Cardinal will stand against Cardinal and Bishop against Bishop."

[] The crisis in the Church is like a wandering through the desert.

Bishop Fellay, the General Superior of the Society of Pius X said this in an interview with the periodical "Noucelles de Chrétienté"

Really in contrast to the wandering of the Israelites in the desert is that Mana is very difficult to find.

The Bishop see really "encouraging signals" from Rome. To be sure they are mixed along with many problems. It is comparable to "a blade of grass in the desert."

Msgr Fellay explained that the Society is only of negligible size: "But we represent living Tradition."

Even a high-ranking Prelate in Rome considers the good fruits of the Society of Pius X as a work of the Holy Ghost -- says Msgr Fellay.

This is the reason, why the Roman authorities have take notice of the Society: "In the midst of the desert, fresh fruit has ripened."

Even in the Vatican Minds Bump into Each Other

The Bishop explained that the Old Mass expresses the Catholic mind, just as the New Mass expresses the Mind of the Second Vatican Council.

Both Rites embody two mental dispositions which do not suit one another.

The question if the tear in the Church also runs through Rome, met with agreement from Msgr Fellay:

"We find ourselves in times, which were foretold, that Cardinal will strive against Cardinal and Bishop against Bishop."

This conflict will be carried out discretely. It is withdrawn from the sight of the faithful.

Actually in the last time the conflict will become open and public. As an example Bishop Fellay mentioned the "baseless attack" of Cardinal Christoph Schönborn of Vienna against the Cardinal Emeritus Angelo Sodano.

"It is no secret that the opposing tendencies collide with each other even in Rome."

Bishop Fellay has concrete facts, but he does not believe, that their publication will help the faithful.

The Council Allows Various Interpretations

Concerning Ecumenism Msgr Fellay remembered then that the Church regarded other Christian Confessions when Pius XII. (+1958) had inclusively condemned them as "false religions".

He criticized even the manner of interpreting the Second Vatican Council after a so-called Hermenutic of Continuity.

Thus one introduces a "new Council".

Such a centrist Council will be defined by the Modernist as as traditional and by the Society as not traditional enough.

Bishop Fellay infers from this the divergence of interpretations of which there are no lack in the Council documents themselves.

Rebuilding Will be Difficult

Discussing the Church crisis, he explained, that a quick solution will only be accomplished by God and a miracle: "Usually, God leads His Church otherwise -- bu cooperating with his creatures with holiness."

The Bishop described the way to the rebuilding of the Church as, "long, the work immeasurable.":

"If the politics of the naming of Bishops changes, then we could hope."

Msgr Fellay also views the necessity of a thoroughgoing reform of the Teaching Office of the Papal Universities and Priestly formation.

For these aims are needed a long breath. In the moment these are still "dreams": "Everything depends in the first line on the Pope."

Bishop Fellay is posoitive that the Church apparently recognizes the crisis in the Church more clearly.

The Society of St Pius X recognizes for this reason that the Church possesses until today only one valid past.

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Thursday, October 7, 2010

Bishop Fellay: Rome is Divided: Some Love, Many Hate the Society's Work

In fact the Society of St. Pius says there are two parties in Rome: "One always has to ask, who will have the last word" -- explained the Society's Head in an Exclusive interview.

[] Today Bishop Bernard Fellay -- the General Superior of the Priestly Society of St. Piux X -- on the occasion of the Fortieth Anniversary Jubilee of his Society.

He did this in the context of an exclusive interview with French Pius-Portal 'La Porte Latine'.

The Society of Pius X was recognized in 1970, November 1, by the then Bishop of Freiburg in Switzerland, Msgr Francois Charriere (+1976).

A little stream of light in the darkness

In terms of Church history, the last forty years has been a "painful epoch of decadence".

In this time the Church has lost its influence on the temporal world and of Nations.

The "Small work" of the Society was a "stream of light in the midst of darkness, an oasis in the wilderness a small life boat in a great shipwreck."

Msgr Fellay explained that the expansion of the Society " because of the absence of priests" is not frantic.

In more recent time the Society has received various requests from Africa: "but it is difficult for us to respond because we do not have enough workers for the vineyard."

The General Superior also expanded upon this by saying that the Society, if it had more priests, would also expand a great deal in Asia.

As in War

Msgr Fellay was also approached by some, who in the course of the years were turned away.

He compares this experience with a war -- "as when men fall under fire to the left and the right."

For himself he has no other choice than to continue the fight: "War has an unbelievably hard side -- our time is for those who have fallen without grace."

The Bishop insists that the pain is great -- "as well for those who leave us as for us, who see them go, without the possibility of holding them back."

Many Contacts

On the other side there has been, by the information from Bishops, numerous contacts between the brotherhood and other areas of the Church:

"No moment passes that some seminarian, priest or religious doesn't come knocking."

It also happens -- even if more seldom -- even already Bishops and entire Religious orders have written, "who give us their sympathy and even still other manifestations."

The Episcopal Wall

The majority of Ecumenism-Bishops against the Society has hardly gone on unaltered this year:

"The Society has been vilified by the great majority of the Bishops and treasured by a small herd of souls who have remained true."

For Msgr Fellay it is a "beautiful illustration of the degree of the past crisis."

Rome Divided

In Rome states Bishop Fellay, "there is a certain change" in the disposition to the Society -- "which still does not have a great effect."

"It seems to me that our work is valued by some, while the others hate it."

This divided disposition to the Society makes the relationship difficult: "One always wonders who will have the last word."

The Roman Mind
The Bishop is asked about the danger that the Society is beginning to return to its original situation:

"There is without a doubt a danger that becomes enclosed in a practical autonomy," -- answered the Bishop.

"So we work to broaden our field of view and to widen the care of the faithful, to whom we speak of the Roman Church."

For Msgr Fellay it is very important to retain the Roman mind: "Our independence on Rome must not only be symbolic, rather it must become concrete."

Cautious Optimism

As far as the negotiations with Rome and the Society Msgr Fellay explains with a view on its progress that they probably not be led to a surprising break to a solution to the immediate problem:

"There are two mentalities, but the will, to enter into a discussion on theological novelty, is there."

"Even when the development is long, the fruits of it could be promising."

Msgr Fellay sees in Rome a "seemingly clear will", to correct the past situation.

As well as in doctrine, as in Morals and Discipline, there are numerous agreements in the evaluation of the past difficult crisis.

Condemnation of the Pastoral Council is put off for later

In Rome, according to Msgr Fellay's mind, there is a tendency to downplay the guilt for the past calamity on the Vatican Council.

For that reason Msgr Fellay proposed to concentrate on the unalterable teachings of the Church and to delay a direct condemnation of the Second Vatican Council for a later time.

His particular mission to priests and faithful on the even of the Fortieth Jubilee of the Society is: "Truth!"

He proceeds: "The truth is the guarantee for the future." Truth in the small is the guarantee for truth in great things.

The faithful should also not let themselves be discouraged, "if the battle must still last longer, as it now appears."

"On the contrary, be stubborn and work continue with the work to renew the Church."

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Monday, February 15, 2010

Second Theological Meeting being Held in Rome with the SSPX: Dici

The second theological meeting between Rome’s theologians and those of the SSPX was held on January 18 at the Vatican in the offices of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. The two parties, one of the participants told I. Media News, “have begun studying in depth the themes on the agenda for the doctrinal discussions.” No press release was issued on the occasion of the latest working session, as there had been for the preceding session, which was held on October 26, 2009. The next meeting will take place during the second half of the month of March, I. Media was also told.

During the sermon he gave during the priestly ordinations at the Seminary of La Reja in Argentina last 19 December, Msgr. Alfonso de Galarreta, who heads the Society of St. Pius X’s delegation, listed the subjects to be discussed in the forthcoming meetings: “all the themes we have been critiquing for forty years, especially religious liberty, the modern liberties, freedom of conscience, the dignity of the human person–as they say–the rights of man, personalism, ecumenism, interreligious dialogue, inculturation, collegiality–the egalitarianism, democratism, and destruction of authority that have been introduced into the Church; as well as all the notions of ecclesiology which have totally changed what the Church is: the question of the “self-consciousness” of the Church, the Church as communion, the Church as sacrament, the Church as the People of God; and all these new ideas about the relation between the Church and the world. Then there is the question of the Mass, the new Mass, the new missal, the liturgical reform…, and still other themes.” (See DICI No. 208, Jan. 23, 2010, pp. 10-11) [LINK]

While receiving in audience the members of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith last January 15, Benedict XVI justified the gesture made towards the Society of St. Pius X, and expressed his desire to see “the remaining doctrinal problems overcome” thanks to the work of the Congregation.

(DICI No. 209, Feb. 6, 2010.—sources: I.Media/Apic/private sources)

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Wednesday, December 16, 2009

Fr. Z takes Petty Swipes at Bishop Williamson

Gerard Wrote:
Fr. Z takes another ignorant and or malicious swipe at Bishop Williamson and attempts to distract people from his very relevant comments on sacramental abuse and ambiguity in the post-conciliar sacramental rites. My comments are in blue.

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