Saturday, May 21, 2016

Vatican Press Office Cites Benedict Denying Private Statement on Fatima Secret

Edit:  to put it bluntly, OnePeterFive has a lot more credibility than the Vatican Press Office. There's no mention of Bishop Kurt Krenn's allegation that Benedict said that the Secret wasn't complete, either. If it really were Benedict, he probably would have denounced Krenn as well. Some might remember that we were one of the first to mention this issue in English way back in 2014.

https://eponymousflower.blogspot.com/2014/01/third-secret-of-fatima-document-is.html?m=1

Here's the Neoconservative commerce website Kath.net's report:


Emeritus Pope responds to speculation of US and Italian media - "The publication of the Third Secret of Fatima is complete"

Vatican City (kath.net/KAP) In an unusual move, Benedict XVI. has [allegedly] reacted to speculation about secret parts of Our Lady of Fatima messages being rejected. Allegations that he had personally spoken of unpublished passages of the "Third Secret of Fatima", were "pure invention" and "absolutely not true", said the Pope Emeritus  on Saturday through the Vatican Press Office. [If anyone has a record of fabrication, it's them.]

A week ago, the US website OnePeterFive had reported, citing the earlier moral theologian Ingo Dollinger, that Joseph Ratzinger had  acknowledged as prefect of the CDF shortly after the release of  the "Secrets of Fatima" in 2000 in a telephone conversation with Dollinger that the book is not complete. Among the suppressed portions were parts of the vision that took place in 1917 in  Fatima, which concern "a bad council and a bad Mass" which were imminent  in the near future.

OnePeterFive's story had been taken up in the last few days by individual Italian media. Benedict XVI. now denies having ever spoken with Dollinger about Fatima. To the question of the Vision report he stated verbatim: "The publication of the third secret of Fatima is complete."

There are always speculations as to the scope and interpretation of the messages that were received by the three Portuguese child seers in several visions in 1917. The minutes of the first two apparitions were published  in 1941. The third part, which was initially secret,  remained so and was sent to the pope personally, which had been published in  2000. It contained visions that have been associated with the Pope's assassination in 1981 and the communist dictatorships in Eastern Europe.

In the first "secret"  the Mother of God calls humanity to repentance in view of serious threats. In dark pictures war, famine and persecutions of the Church, in particular attacks of militant atheism against the Church are portrayed.

The third text speaks of a bishop dressed in white, who was shot by soldiers. This vision was associated later with the assassination attempt on John Paul II. May 13, 1981st The Pope himself had attributed his miraculous rescue of Our Lady of Fatima and the bullet that had injured him, given to the Portuguese pilgrimage site.

http://kath.net/news/55265

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44 comments:

Barnum said...

At this point, who would believe the Vatican spokespersons if it released the authentic 3rd Secret?

Jack said...

On Feb 8th 1960 another Vatican's press release stated:
"Although the Church recognizes the Fatima apparitions, She doesn't desire to take the responsibility of guaranteeing the veracity of the WORDS that the three shepherds children said that the Virgin Mary had addressed to them."
Where are these WORDS of the Virgin in the part of the Secret that was unveiled in 2000?
We and the world need these WORDS urgently.

Savonarola said...

Who cares indeed? High time all this nonsense was consigned to the junk heap of history.

Tancred said...

Jacques Dumon has also written:

The Vatican has entrapped itself in a loong string of discrepancies, lies, inconsistencies and contradictions in the Fatima affair that nobody believes what they say anymore.
The book of Card. Bertone has not helped but only to discredit him and the Vatican's "party line".

Anonymous said...

so benedict would come out promptly (and on the vatican website to boot) to deny something related to fatima, yet not come out at all about the horrors in amoris laetitia?
does anyone else smell the masonic bu**sh**?

Clinton R. said...

The BS meter vis a vis the Vatican Press Office is in full effect. The 3rd secret is about the wretched apostasy in Rome. We ignore Our Lady at great peril to our souls.

Mr. Mcgranor said...

The magisterium is a corrupt tool for the flesh, world, and the devil but that is no excuse for the lay masses. Imagine a magisterium so brazen in their vanity that they conspire against God. Is this short of calling Mary a liar; or a tell-tale sign of God's reasons for wrath?

Catholic Mission said...

Pope Benedict says...
We must recall that Pope Benedict affirmed the pro-Masonic position when he said that Jews do not need to convert in the present times. This was with reference to the Prayer for the Conversion of the Jews.
Then he supported the pro Masonic position when he affirmed that the baptism of desire etc was a known exception to the Feeneyite position on extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).
Now the Vatican has issued a statement on the Third Secret of Fatima saying that Pope Benedict did not tell any one that the secret was incomplete.
Recently he announced that the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus is no more the same like in the 16th century.Since it has been developed with Vatican Council II for him.In other words there are known exceptions to the dogma EENS mentioned in Vatican Council II.
When Wikipedia would continue to say that LG 16 was an exception to the dogma EENS there was no clarification from the office of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith when he was the Prefect.
Amoris Laetitia is a break with the moral encylical Veritatis Splendor , which he approved.There is no comment here from Pope Benedict.
There are so many other examples which I could give.

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Monica said...

Exactly right! They are liars, deceivers and accusers. Like their father the devil.

We know that Vaticon spies scour Catholic blogs looking to find what we think. I hope they are enjoying the ass kicking they are getting over this LIE they put out about Benedict.

We don't like you false Catholics in Rome and abroad. And we don't like your Francis.

Consecrate Russia, Pope Benedict! Do it now. "It will be late. But it will be done."

Anonymous said...

That is not the style of speaking for BXVI. Not even close. They must think we are as stupid as they are.

James said...

I generally don't believe anything that the Vatican Press Office says. It's a spinning, lying spokesperson apparatus that works more for damage control and propaganda rather than honesty and accuracy.

big benny said...

...above should say Batican not Catican.

TLM said...

Or.....any of the other fantastic anti Catholic ramblings and actions of this Papacy? They are too many to mention, and frankly, we can't keep up with all the bu**sh** going on in the Vatican. Every day it's something. We are getting 'Burgoglio weary' at this point and the first 'so called' public statement by Benedict is THIS? He is all fired up about a few articles from a blogger on a U.S. Catholic website about Fatima, and he essentially calls Fr. Dollinger (a dear friend of his btw) and highly respected journalists LIARS? This is the farthest reaction from Benedict I can even imagine, if I know Benedict. And to make things more suspect, who do we all know and 'love' that is the English spokesman for the Vatican? Fr. Thomas Rosica. The guy that likes to bring lawsuits against Catholic bloggers? Who are they trying to bu** sh** anyway?

Anonymous said...

Exactly right, Jacques. There are two parts to the Third Secret of Fatima:. The Vision, and the exact words of Our Lady which follow: "In Portugal, the dogma of the Faith will always be preserved..."

The only way out of the crisis in the Church is the revelation of the exact words of Our Lady and the Collegial Consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary.

Steve said...

After what we've seen with our own eyes, it's time to drop the word "Secret" and start calling it, the message given to us by Our Lady of the Rosary at Fatima.

Tancred said...

It *does* sound a lot more like Rosica than Benedict.

Tancred said...

I think it's clear that she didn't approve of the New Mass or the Spirit of V2.

Anonymous said...

Pray for the lords prisoner, pope benedict xvi

N.D. said...

How can we assure our Holy Father, Benedict's safety. Who can we send?

Anonymous said...

No offense to anyone here and I mean this in all due respect.
Personally,I was literally thankful and relieved upon learning Catholics aren't obliged to believe in private revelation nor base their faith upon visions.
I honestly sympathize with men & women who place so much faith and importance into private revelations.This isn't sarcasm nor is it an insult.

Unknown said...

Touché anonymous. We're not members of the Fatima Church rather the Catholic Church.

And I don't really need Fatima or Our Lady of LaSalette to show me that the spirit of the antichrist pervades the Vatican. However, the warning that all this was coming is somewhat reassuring.

Seattle kim

Unknown said...

Ain't gonna happen , Monica. The consecration has to be done in union with all the bishops.

Seattle kim

Catholic Mission said...

When Pope Benedict 'breaks his silence' it usually is to please the Masons?
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/05/when-pope-benedict-breaks-his-silence.html

Steve said...

The same people responsible for the Fatima cover up, call the Fatima apparitions, a "private" revelation. And while private revelations are optional, Fatima hardly qualifies as a private revelation. Upwards of 70,000 people were shown the Miracle of the Sun. The Miracle edified the crowd and it has a message for people living today. The Miracle of the Sun places Fatima firmly in the category of a public revelation. It's not prudent to dismiss Fatima out of hand.

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thewarourtime.com said...

"When the Church approves private revelations, she declares only that there is nothing in them contrary faith or good morals, and that they may be read without danger or even with profit; no obligation is thereby imposed on the faithful to believe them. - Catholic Encyclopedia > R > Private Revelations
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From this, my take here is that the loser here appears to be 1P5 [and will lose more ground should they stubbornly continue to hold on to their position]. While many are taking the speedy response of the Vatican as a vindication of Steve Skojec and 1P5, I see it differently. With that response they have successfully marginalized and countered Steve Skojec and 1P5, which to me is indicative that the apostolate was doing really well until now.

Tancred said...

It's no longer effective because you say so? Thanks for that.

thewarourtime.com said...

Just my take, and only if they persist in their position [and I tried to communicate just that] because it is now their position vs. the Church's on a matter the faithful have no obligation to believe in [there are other more pressing stuff like AL]. The sad thing is that it is they themselves who made such a Vatican move possible. Good hear to recall CM intransigent position of never criticizing the pope when the pope himself welcomes such criticism. In my view, it is they themselves who have rendered their apostolate ineffective.
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Cf. https://disqus.com/home/discussion/onepeterfive/on_fatima_story_pope_emeritus_benedict_xvi_breaks_silence/#comment-2691772638
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If I were 1P5, believing what I presented in my earlier document, to move my apostolate forward, I would publicly submit to this latest statement from the Vatican. An example I have been giving is Divine Mercy which was suppressed and later the suppression lifted, the faithful ought to respond accordingly.
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Another argument I made was that the Fatima message was delivered by Lúcia to competent Church authorities [not Mr. Skojec nor 1P5]. If the competent Church authorities are not doing Our Lady's bidding, Mr. Skojec and 1P5 and all of us have no dog in that fight. The Fair and Comely One, the daughter of Jerusalem, the one terrible as an army set in array is more than capable to accomplish what she wants to accomplish as she did in Guadalupe.

thewarourtime.com said...

Looking at Russia and one can readily conclude that the consecration was done. Cf. Fatima Consecration - Chronology | EWTN [https://www.ewtn.com/expert/answers/FatimaConsecration.htm]. Russia no longer adheres to the communist/atheist ideology and no longer exports such an ideology.
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Search YouTube for: "So you think you know Putin? President Putin's FAITH"
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Cf. Also Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith > The Message of Fatima - http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20000626_message-fatima_en.html

Anonymous said...

I didn't say anything bad negative or derogatory about Fatima.

Tancred said...

And if Vatican News Servoce has a habit of habitually distorting and misrepresenting facts for its own purposes, what then?

Anonymous said...

Fatima? Are you kidding? Solar induced optical illusions and fancy filled children elevated to the realm of the supernatural are nothing new - nor a "secret".

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thewarourtime.com said...

Suppressed or approved, partially revealed or fully revealed, that is up to the Church and God will hold them accountable for how they handle his message. The faithful have to act accordingly and even with approved, they are not obliged to believe. What is in the Divinely Revealed Sacred Deposit of the Faith = [Sacred Scripture + Holy Tradition] as perennially taught by the Church from the beginning is what the Faithful ought to adhere to for the salvation of their souls.

Tancred said...

Pfft, Russia has lower church attendance than Holland.

Tancred said...

Lol, I'm sorry, but I don't believe a Church of lies.

Perhaps you can, many people do, who benefit financially from it.

Tancred said...

Except the prophesies, whether they were actually published or not, are astonishingly, disturbingly, accurate.

That's what you'll need to address, if you're honest, which I don't believe is the case.

Ben R said...

Honesty? then why keep deleting by any rational standard is fair comment on a subject like this?

Tancred said...

You're not rational, therefore your comments aren't welcome.

thewarourtime.com said...

The magnitude of the crisis ...

Tancred said...

It might have escaped you, but you're morally compelled to challenge falsehoods wherever you find them, even when they're from Church officials. Especially then!

Tancred said...

No, it was your antique dealer editorializing without an actual citation. Go away.