Small Mariological War Against "Our Lady of All Nations"

 

Annual day of prayer in Amsterdam (pictured 2019). In 2020 he had to be canceled because of the Corona measures. But there were side shots against the "Lady of All Nations".

(Rome) On September 15th, the French-language press agency I.Media headlined: “The Holy See rejects the Marian apparitions of Ida Peerdeman,”  better known as “ The Lady of All Nations” . What's it all about?

I.Media reported:

“The Amsterdam apparitions are false. The 'Lady of All Nations' must not be venerated and the faithful must stop all promotion of it,” said the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith in a letter dated July 20, 2020 that has just been published. After decades of controversy, the 56 alleged apparitions of the Virgin Mary to Ida Peerdeman were officially rejected by the Holy See." 

 

The articles of I.Media was literally accepted by Aleteia  (French edition). It was not published in the original of the aforementioned opinion of the CDF .

David Murgias "shock document of the Vatican"

The basis of I.Media -Artikels is a contribution of 28 August by David Murgia on his blog Il Segno di Giona . Murgia, a Roman journalist, also wrote the lurid headline: "The apparitions of Amsterdam are false" and the designation as a "shock document of the Vatican".

Murgia maintains excellent contacts with some parts of the Vatican. He is an employee of TV2000, the television station of the Italian Bishops' Conference, and a member of the International Observatory on phenomena and mystical phenomena that in is located in the Pontifical Pontificia Academia Mariana Internationalis (PAMI), the International Marian Academy.

The nuncio's letter.

The alleged "Vatican shock document" to which all three articles refer is not published by Murgia either. He published a letter from the Apostolic Nunciature in Lebanon to Cardinal Bechara Boutros al-Rahi, the Maronite Patriarch of Antioch and all the East.

This letter is dated July 20th and signed by the Apostolic Nuncio Msgr. Joseph Spiteri. The main statement of the articles mentioned, "The Amsterdam apparitions are wrong," which appears with quotation marks, that is supposedly quoted, is not found anywhere.

Blogger and journalist Murgia is known for having a somewhat screeching tone around paranormal phenomena in which he specializes. How exactly this and other things get along with his membership in the International Marian Pontifical Academy remains to be seen.

The apparitions of Mary from Amsterdam

In this specific case he directs the attention to private revelations that took place from March 25, 1945 to May 31, 1959 in Amsterdam to Ida Peerdeman. The Dutch woman, who died very old in 1996, was 39 years old at the beginning of the apparitions. The first appearance took place in the final phase of the Second World War. On March 25th, the feast of the Annunciation, Mary appeared to her, according to her description, in the presence of her sisters and her confessor, Father Joseph Frehe OP (1896–1967), who introduced herself as "Woman, Mother of All Nations". Core of the phenomena is the desire for a new Marian dogma of Mary as the Coredemptrix , Mediatrix and Advocate.

At this point, the Amsterdam apparitions will not be discussed further, but rather the previous decisions of the Church on this phenomenon.

Nuncio Spiteri, a Maltese who has been working in Lebanon since 2018, responded on July 20 to a request from the Patriarch regarding the "official position of the Church on the veneration of the Virgin Mary as 'Lady of All Nations'".

The nuncio asked the CDF  about the corresponding "clarification." This referred to the notification published on May 25, 1974 and "clarified" that this is "still valid." This confirmed the judgment of the Bishop of Haarlem. The Congregation, after "deeper examination" and with the approval of Paul VI. states that the "supernatural nature of the appearances is not certain." As early as 1956, the responsible local bishop of Haarlem, Msgr. Johannes Petrus Huibers, had pronounced a “ non constat de supernaturalitate," thus declaring that “the supernatural is not certain.” That was an evaluation that was negative, but wait and see. A clearly negative judgment should have read: "constat de non supernaturalitate " ( "non-supernatural character is clear"). Thus the commission he appointed for the investigation, was headed by the later Cardinal Johannes Willebrands.

At the same time he forbade "the public veneration of the image of the 'Lady of All Nations' and the distribution of writings that presented the above-mentioned apparitions and revelations as of supernatural origin."

The third church evaluation of the supernatural phenomena was also mentioned for the sake of completeness and now It read "constat de supernaturalitate,", so the statement that "the supernatural is established".

According to Ida Peerdeman, Maria introduced Herself to her as "Lady of All Nations" and "Mother of All Nations".

In 1957, the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (then still called the Holy Office) certified the “prudence” of the Bishop of Haarlem and “approved” his measures. After “even deeper examination” she confirmed in 1974 that the judgment pronounced by the bishop “is well founded”. Therefore she called on “priests and laypeople” to “refrain from any propaganda for the alleged appearances and revelations of the 'Lady of All Nations' and exhorted everyone to show their veneration for the Most Holy Virgin, Queen of the World, to express in those forms recognized and recognized  by the Church recommended.”

The Nuncio also wrote to the Patriarch that the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith "is of the opinion that it is not fitting to contribute to the spread of the devotion to Mary as 'Lady of All Nations'"

Is that cleared up? Not at all.

The Church's judgment on the supernatural nature of phenomena could, until recently, take three forms, which have already been mentioned:

• constat de supernaturalitate (the supernatural is certain) - positive judgment;

• non constat de supernaturalitate (the supernatural is not certain) - waiting / carefully negative judgment;

• constat de non supernaturalitate (the non-supernatural is certain - negative judgment.

With the notification of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith in 1974, the waiting / cautiously negative judgment of the Bishop of Haarlem was declared to be "prudent". For David Murgia this is the "shock document of the Vatican". It is of course not, as a member of the Pontifical Marian Academy he has long known the notification. So why the theater?

Starting in 1978, new guidelines for assessing supernaturalness were developed, but were not published until 2012. The three possible ratings were reduced to two. It did not necessarily achieve what was supposed to create more clarity, because the previously clearly negative judgment was dropped. In the new guidelines, there are only the ratings "constat de supernaturalitate" and "non constat de supernaturalitate." The judgment that had been waiting until now has turned into a negative judgment. The exact re-weighting and the question of the continuation of the third evaluation option should not be discussed at this point.

Retrospective reassessment?

In recent years, on the basis of the new, only two-stage guidelines, which the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith declared in 1974 to be "justified", attempts have been made to present the waiting judgment of the Bishop of Haarlem from 1956 as a clearly negative judgment. However, such retrospective reinterpretation is not permitted.

In the Amsterdam case, two further aspects should also be mentioned.

There is the difficult to understand question of what sense judgments should have that are not published. So much for today the assumption expressed by some that the decision of the Congregation of 1974 was a clear negative judgment, so ( "constat de non supernaturalitate"), has reinforced that still wait-decision of the Bishop of Haarlem as a negative judgment. Such a notice is given only 38 years later in a footnote of the printed version of a lecture by Msgr. Charles Scicluna of 2008, who was then- Promoter Iustitiae of the CDF. Msgr. Scicluna, Maltese like the Apostolic Nuncio to Lebanon and now Archbishop of Malta, was appointed Assistant Secretary of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith by Pope Francis in 2018 while retaining his office as diocesan bishop.

The miraculous image of Amsterdam.

On the other hand, a third judgment has been made since the 1974 notification. After biding judgment of the local bishop from 1956 ( " non constat de supernaturalitate " the supernatural is not certain) that the CDF had confirmed in 1974, for another, a negative judgment ( " constat de non supernaturalitate ") is not found in the notification, said the local bishop of Haarlem, Msgr. Jos Punt, in charge of Amsterdam, on 31 May 2002 a positive judgment of ( " constat de supernaturalitate " the supernatural is apparant). He ruled:

"In view of all the reports, testimonies and developments and after having pondered everything in prayer and theological reflection, this leads me to the conclusion that there is a supernatural origin in the apparitions of Amsterdam."

The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith has not objected to the recognition of the Marian apparitions by the Bishop of Haarlem. However, in 2005 a correction of the prayer of the Lady of All Nations was requested.

In this context, a hint in the letter of the Apostolic Nuncio to Patriarch Raï, which shows that the clarification of questions of the supernatural is always complex, remains misleading. Msgr. Spiteri mentions the letter from the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith to the Philippine Bishops' Conferenceof 2005 with the request to erase from a prayer a statement made several times by the apparition in Amsterdam, according to which the “Lady of All Nations” who “once” was “Mary”, contained “nothing that could suggest a changed judgment “Than that from 1974. By that time the Bishop of Haarlem had recognized the apparitions for three years. The prayer of the “Lady of All Nations” was actually corrected in 2006 and recognized by Bishop Punt: the formula “who once was Mary”, the primary stumbling block, was replaced by “the Blessed Virgin Mary”.

Attempt to overturn Church recognition

And of course it's about Church politics: Apparitionists and anti-apparitionists face each other as well as conservatives and progressives. It is known from Medjugorje and other cases how bitter this conflict can be. Murgia's advance should also be seen in this context. Behind him are circles within the Church who clash with the Church's recognition of the "Lady of All Nations" and want to overturn it.

On the other side is, for example, an international movement, originating from the US, led by Mark Miravalle movement, called Vox Populi Mariae Mediatrici. It endeavors to proclaim a new, fifth dogma of Mary with the three titles “Co-redeemer”, “Mediator” and “Intercessor,” as requested by the apparitions in Amsterdam. Similar efforts in 1997 with the "Declaration of Czestochowa" by one on the International Mariological Congress, allegedly halted by a  Commission formed in consultation with the Congregation of Doctrine and the Faith. The way leading to the Pontificia Academia Mariana Internationaliswho belongs to Murgia. This commission rejected the three titles as "misleading" and "ecumenically problematic."

Apart from the fact that the commission mentioned does not have any magisterial authority, such statements are more suspicious than they are welcomed by the faithful. Church political motivations are seen in this, partly not without good reason. Anti-Marian currents in the Church, in the German-speaking area especially in the field of theological faculties, perfunctory Catholicism and diocesan apparatchiks are just as well known as “ecumenical” efforts going beyond that, which with a view to Protestantism or the zeitgeist, hold that Marian considerations  are not “opportune." The suspicion is in the room and is believed by a not inconsiderable number of believers - not always justified, but not always unfounded either.

David Murgia's headline: “The Amsterdam Apparitions are Wrong. Our Lady of All Nations must not be worshiped."

Tagle's brakes

One more step of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith should be mentioned. During their ad limina -Visit in 2010,  Philippine bishops were told at the request of the Congregation that a Marian Dogma about the mediation is not excluded for the future. The demand for a dogma for three titles, as desired in Amsterdam, is not to be supported.

In 2011, the Doctrinal Commission wrote the Philippine Bishops' Conference under the direction of Luis Antonio Tagle, a follower of the progressive School of Bologna, then Bishop of Imus, then Archbishop of Manila, since 2012 cardinal and since February 2020 Prefect of the Congregation for the Evangelization of Peoples about Amsterdam:

“The judgment of the Holy See is firm: the supernatural character of the alleged apparitions of our Lady cannot be verified. Even if piety to Our Lady under this title [Lady of All Nations] and the use of the modified prayer may help people, we should avoid pointing out that the Church has judged the apparitions to be real. ” 1

What is certain is that parts of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith have reservations about the Amsterdam apparitions.

What clarity do the believers have?

So what clarity can believers rely on in a specific case? Ultimately, the recognition by the Bishop of Haarlem-Amsterdam, as the diocese has been called since 2008, as it is the most recent and clearest judgment. This decision is public, official and the most extensive. The rest is a bit of a strange poking around behind the scenes.

To put it another way: if a group of officials and mariologists does not agree with a certain development, whether justified or unjustified, it remains to be seen, they should perhaps look for other ways to announce this within the Church, but not by launching sensationally made articles, that create more confusion than clarity, or through subliminal boycotts.

It should not be a coincidence either, the Nunciature letter in Lebanon or not, that David Murgia's advance came less than three months after Bishop Punt's health-related retirement.

Clarity should look different.

Text: Giuseppe Nardi 
Image: de-vrouwe.info (screenshots)

Trans: Tancred vekron99@hotmail.com

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Leftists Calling for Violence and Hate — Reactions from “Merciful” Catholics

 Edit: check out Reza Aslan advocating violence on Twitter. Get ready!  Reza Aslan is a Sufi weirdo who was an Evangelical Christian but now worships in a new false religion.

Self-identifying Jew, RBW is more pensive. Despite being a product of a homeschool family and Steubenville, she looks like a pro-abortion type.

 

An aberrosexual promoter pretending to be a Jesuit.

Another pro-aberrosexual activist in a violent overreaction wherein he condemns Catholics he hates:

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Breaking...

EWTN Takes Down Caviezel Interview Deeply Critical of Bishops and Clergy -- It's Back Up -- Mel GIbson's New Movie is Coming

 Edit:  Heard this from Michael Hichborn. James Caviezel talks about his new film and the importance of witnessing Christ, especially when there's a cost to it in the Middle East. EWTN took this down previously, because later in the interview, he criticizes the Bishops, but it's back up for now.   I'll try to make a copy of it in case EWTN decides to shoot it down again.  He even explains at one point that many in the hierarchy hated Mother Angelica. 

It's a sad day if you can't tell the difference between a priest, a bishop and a pastor when they become politicians and the priests who do speak out are persecuted. Why isn't the hierarchy standing up to the state?

The interview starts at 45:30.

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Still gay?

Election coverage, pre-blond wig days

Black Parishoners Stop Whacko Neo-Catechumenate From Wreckovation Scheme — Diocese Can’t Afford to Put it Right

Edit: it looks like they tried to make the interior of the church extremely gay by covering up the marble floor and pushing the altar out of the sanctuary and removing the communion rails.  I didn’t realize Neo-Cat was interested in Gathering Spaces. 

The parishioners hated the changes which were accomplished without them being informed, much less their approval. 

I guess the Neo-Cats, who the parishioners claim are more interested in their cult group than in taking care of the parish, have met their match and will have to repair the uglification of this historic black church.

[Philadelphia Inquirer] Promised restorations to an Olde Kensington church, which was altered during its coronavirus shutdown without the consent of its parishioners, will have to wait until the sale of another church to pay for them, an Archdiocese representative told church members Sunday.

The Rev. Dennis Gill, director of the Office for Divine Worship for the Archdiocese, told parishioners of St. Michael Roman Catholic Church that its original plan to move artifacts from Immaculate Conception, which closed last year, to replace what their parochial administrator, the Rev. Arturo Chagala, removed, was cost prohibitive.

Instead, Gill said, the parish would first have to sell Immaculate Conception in Northern Liberties, and then move religious artifacts to St. Michael.

Donna Panno, whose family has been at St. Michael for four generations, said Gill made the five-minute announcement and left the church before the 9:30 Mass began.

Photo: YONG KIM / STAFF PHOTOGRAPHER InquiRer

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Italian Bishops Enthusiastic About Pedo Film Cuties

Edit: Avenirre is the official mouthpiece of the Italian Bishops' Conference.  They saw fit to write a rather spirited defense of pedo film, Cuties.  Like Marx Shea, they're enthusiastic about it, although they don't attack detractors of the film on the basis of their political alignment, taking an ideological position, as Marx Shea does. It's almost as if all these talking heads are reading and writing from scripts.

Interestingly enough, what this apologia for Cuties won't tell you is that the woman who directed the film is a mere figurehead.  The real director is a Jewish pedophile who has been campaigning since the 70s for such media.  I'm in the process of discovering his name and some of the details about his "work", but this film is clearly intended to justify certain things and it's unsurprising to see the Italian Bishops' Conference, which is made up of the kinds of men who enjoy certain fare and style themselves as post-modern intellectuals, defending this piece of excrement.

You people should be ashamed of yourselves for cancelling your Netflix subscriptions!  Listen to your betters!

[Avenirre] Users who were outraged at Netflix by launching a sabotage campaign against the online platform for the film Mignonnes, known by the international title Cuties, either have not seen it or have really limited themselves to the poster.  Otherwise they have not understood it or have looked at it with the wrong eyes.  The film by the Franco-Senegalese director Maïmouna Doucouré does not revolve around a "scandalous sexualization of adolescents" nor obviously "encourages pedophilia", as some of the more than 600,000 signatories of a petition against the giant in the distribution of films and  tv series via internet.  However, as Massimo Calvi pointed out on Sunday in a comment on 'Avvenire'

the suspicion is that the work was promoted by Netflix by playing ambiguously on some specific content.  Mignonnes is indeed a tough film, very tough.  It is an insight into a reality, that of 11-12 year olds that even parents sometimes do not realize or do not want to realize.  A reflection inserted in a much more complex context through the story of Amy, an eleven-year-old native of Senegal, who lives with her mother, aunt and brother in a suburb of Paris awaiting the return of her father who, in the meantime, has become  polygamist marrying another woman.

 Amy witnesses her mother's suffering and herself suffers from the absence of her father and from the strict rules imposed by the Islamic religion and family traditions.  She finds it difficult to fit into the school environment and in relationships with her peers, until she becomes friends with Angelica, a neighbor who is part of a modern dance group made up of four girls.  Amy will become the leader pushing the group towards an ever more daring dance.  And here lies the controversial point because the director absolutely does not force her hand on the sensual aspect, on the contrary: she tries to highlight, albeit in a contradictory picture, their innocence, the fact that they are little girls (one is ugly, one is  fat, one has pimples ...) who do things out of their reach, which never manage to get to the extreme.

 They talk, even in foul language, but then show that they know nothing about sex or that they care if they are considered wrong.  Moreover, Amy finds herself in the middle of two completely different cultures, undergoing very strong opposing pressures in a particularly complicated moment of life such as the transition from childhood to adolescence.  She even senses a contrast to the ideal of female beauty.  For Amy, everything she does, without being fully aware of it, is a form of redemption towards her family, her culture and towards those who discriminate against her for forms of racism or bullying.  However, she is always terribly fought, until the beautiful finale in which, with the game of jumping rope, she rediscovers herself for what she is: still a child.

 The problem, therefore, is not these kids who grow up too fast for certain things without having sufficient maturity or the necessary immune defenses.  [That makes them perfect prey for men, or women who do such things.] The problem is the world that we have created around it, with absent parents (all the girls have complicated families behind them), with social networks that push you to believe that you exist and that you are someone only for the number of likes you receive, with the  ease with which he can access forms (in that case yes) of wrong sexuality on the internet and with the mobile phone which becomes the only means to create equality.  All this the director makes it clear, even if the film cannot be fed to everyone.  But when read correctly and presented well, Mignonnes can become an educational film. [Or a film subtly endorsing pedophilia and sex between adults and children.]

Photo: Netflix

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Holy Skojec in Tizzy Condemns Catholic Church

 Edit: if he feels he has to sell the Catholic Faith, did he really have it in the first place? 

What do you expect from a petty narcissist who identifies with Tyrian Lannister, a vicious dwarf who betrays and murders his family for power and revenge in the famous Game of Thrones series. (Another source of his vanity is his inordinate interest in fantasy and science fiction crap.)

Well, now His Steveness has finally realized (or is positioning himself to reveal to the world) that Bergoglio probably isn’t Pope and is looking desperately for a life preserver, or at least that’s the impression he’s attempting to give.

I’ve always thought Holy Steve was a smug, self-important ignoramus since I first read one of his early blogs circa early 2000s. He’s spent much of his Internet career journaling about his feelings, how things seem to him as if it should be important to you, his reader and customer. This is another one of those situations. 

Right now he’s “asking the hard questions,” or having a temper tantrum, like a larva, agonizingly transforming into an even more loathsome cockroach, we’re likely to be shown his final form.  Steve feels completely incapable of restoring tradition, he’s so over the Church, and getting attention from another huckster, Rod Dreher. Perhaps Holy Steve will become Deacon Steve, in the Orthodox Church of America? Then he can shill for Orthodoxy.

Quo Vadis, Stu?   Who cares, as long as he calls himself something else besides Catholic.

I saw this this morning. Would you rather go to Hell than have Ann Barnhardt be Right?

Of course, Holy Steve never stops grifting.  I can't sit around all day playing video games and watching the Scifi channel without your help folks!  My wife just lost a load of cash playing penny stocks!

And... all of this is having an effect.

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