Saturday, March 20, 2021

Bergoglio's Commissar Banishes Immemorial Mass of Ages to the Catacombs

 The Vatican State Secretariat has established a hierarchy in St. Peter's Basilica: Novus Ordo above, Traditional Rite below?

Edit: the Bugninine Liturgy is ascendant!

(Rome) as the retirement of Angelo Cardinal Comastri as Archpriest of St. Peter's Basilica was only a rumor, already there were worries, that it could have  negative consequences for the celebration of the Immemorial Rite in the Papal Basilica. On February 20th, the time had come - and the fears came true.

Pope Francis retired Cardinal Comastri and appointed Mauro Cardinal Gambetti as his successor. Gambetti, member of the Minorites was previously Custos of the Holy Convents of Assisi. Not a month has passed since then and the fears are already becoming reality.

The First Section of the Vatican State Secretariat sent a letter to the Extraordinary Commissar of the Cathedral Administration, the canons of the Vatican Chapter and the service for the liturgical celebrations of the basilica. On June 29, 2020, Pope Francis provided Cardinal Comastri with a commissar in the form of Archbishop Mario Giordano. Cardinal Gambetti, who was created by Francis as cardinal at the end of November 2020, has officially been Vicar General of Vatican City, archpriest of St. Peter's Basilica and head of St. Peter's Cathedral Building since February. The tasks of Msgr. Giordano as acting head were not canceled, as the new document shows.

The State Secretariat's letter is not signed, which, among other things, cast doubts as to its authenticity. The document has since been published by the Vaticanist Diane Montagna and its authenticity has been confirmed by Edward Pentin (National Catholic Register). The First Section is headed by the Substitute of the Cardinal Secretary of State. The Venezuelan Vatican diplomat Edgar Peña Parra has been a substitute since 2018.

The instructions (enlarge)

The Section issued five instructions on March 12:

  • 1. Individual celebrations should be suppressed;
  • 2. The priests and the faithful who come to the basilica every day for Holy Mass should have the opportunity to participate in the following celebrations: at 7 am in the choir chapel; at 7:30 am at the Cathedra Altar; at 8 o'clock in the choir chapel; at 9 o'clock at the Cathedra altar. The times of the other Masses remain unchanged. On the occasion of a saint's remembrance, the remains of which are kept in the basilica, one of the Holy Masses can be celebrated at the corresponding altar. On Sundays and public holidays, the maintenance of the times mentioned must be checked;

  • 3. the concelebrations are to be liturgically animated with the help of lecturers and cantors;

  • 4. Groups of pilgrims who are accompanied by a bishop or a priest ensure the possibility of celebrating Holy Mass in the Vatican grottoes;

  • 5. As for the Extraordinary Rite, the authorized priests can celebrate at 7 am, 7:30 am, 8 am and 9 am in the Capella Clementina in the Vatican Grottoes.

The regulations will come into force next March 22nd.

The Cathedra altar is one of the two papal altars and is located in front of the Cathedra Petri. The choir chapel is the westernmost chapel in the south (left) aisle. It lies opposite the sacrament chapel in the north aisle and is separated from the rest of the church by a grill. This is where the canons perform their divine office, hence the name.

Traditional Rite to the catacombs?

The arrangement has banished the Traditional Rite, which had been well tolerated in St. Peter's Basilica, in the Vatican GrottosWho has been bothered the previous early morning celebrations?  [Satan?] The pilgrims and tourists hardly, as not so many of them are in St. Peter's Basilica at this time. This is especially true for the past few months with the low number of visitors due to the corona restrictions.

The Traditional Rite only became visible in St. Peter's Basilica in Autumn 2012, when the international pilgrimage Summorum Pontificum ad Petri Sedem took place for the first timeIt was created to express gratitude and solidarity with Pope Benedict XVI. to express and to give the Traditional Rite greater public visibility through the celebration of the closing Mass in St. Peter's Basilica (cathedra altar). At that time there was even hope that Benedict XVI. could personally celebrate the first final mass in St. Peter's. This hope was not fulfilled. Rather, he unexpectedly resigned from office a few months later. The pilgrimage was retained, however, had to be canceled last year due to the corona restrictions by the state and Church authorities. The Pontifical Mass in St. Peter's Basilica, which Robert Cardinal Sarah was supposed to celebrate on October 24th, was made impossible by the restrictions imposed. Without a special permit, according to the instructions that have now been issued, the final Mass of this pilgrimage would also be banished to the crypt under St. Peter's Basilica.

How does the State Secretariat justify the new provisions?

“Lent invites us to return to the Lord with all our hearts (cf. Gl 2:12). This gives greater centrality to the word of God and the celebration of the Eucharist. With this in mind, in order to ensure that the holy masses in St. Peter's

 A connection with the celebration in the Traditional Rite is not evident, which is why the only recognizable consequence remains to visibly downgrade the Holy Mass in the extraordinary form of the Roman rite compared to the Novus OrdoSt. Peter's Basilica is reserved exclusively for the novel liturgy, while the Traditional Rite is banished to the catacombs. It is also used physically, intentionally or unintentionally, to express who is “up” and who is “down” or who is above whom.

The Vatican knows about the power of symbols.

St. Peter's Basilica, including the Vatican grottoes and the ancient necropolis with St. Peter's tomb

Text: Giuseppe di Nar-
image: (screenshot) / Wikicommons / Diane Montagna (Twitter, screenshot)

Trans: Tancred



Anonymous said...

The ragheads that Bergoglio is playing footsie with so sweetly are probably drawing up plans to blow the Basilica to smithereeens anyway, so the controversy will be moot.

JBQ said...

In league with the previous comment, I believe that it is "in the cards" that churches are going to be phased out. To that point, I have reference to an article which would gladden the heart of E Michael Jones PhD. "Is the Jewish deli the new synagogue?" Feb 11, 2021, The Jewish Light (Newspaper) St. Louis, Mo (Andrew Silow-Carroll. (New York Jewish Week via JTA)--Are sociologists and communal leaders looking for American Judaism in all the wrong places?)----In what venue will we find the Mass celebration "down the road?". I opt for Irish Stew to be served with loaves of bread. Irish Whiskey as a stand in for the wine goes without saying.

Anonymous said...

Well St Peter's remains are beneath the Bascilica so it appears the novus ordo is inadvertently honoring the mass of the ages.

Constantine said...

"Lent invites us to return to the Lord with all our hearts (cf. Gl 2:12). This gives greater centrality to the word of God and the celebration of the Eucharist." Because the sacrifice of propitiation is not there or downplayed.It is a "community meal" with Protestant Bible readings.

Anonymous said...

Two cardinals in the VAtican have condemned this "ruling" from the Sec. of State, who really has no authority over the Basilica or liturgy. Also the paper was not signed by anyone.

I have two friends in Rome who are religious. One is an American who left the USA to join one of the few traditional (old time habits) nuns Orders in Italy. THey have their motherhouse in Rome. Another friend I met in Rome is a monk, belonging to one of the "new Orders"...of Dominican inspiration whose community took over a vacant Servite monastery in Rome (closed, 1984), but also have houses in Florece and Venice. His Order uses both the Tridentine Latin Mass, and the Novus Ordo. He said in their priory in Florence , there are 24 monks, and when they celebrate the Novus Ordo, maybe 30 faithful attend. When they celebrate the Tridentine Latin Mass, maybe 150 attend. In Rome, because of pressure from the Pope Francis Vatican, they usually only celebrate the Novus Ordo for the faithful.....and sometimes (I guess because also from Covid), there's only 10-15 people in attendance. The Novus Ordo is not a big draw....even in Rome. Their Rome house has 25-30 friars/monks and the one in Venice, about 25. They have 3 houses, and have been in existance only since 1998. Impressive growth. But their pont was that the Vatican is pretty stupid with this paper....because in Rome at one really goes to the Novus Ordo Mass. And neither in most of Italy.

Damian M. Malliapalli

Max Zerwick said...

The Vatican instruction is not discriminatory. Use of side altars applies to both forms of the Latin Rite as it does to the Chaldean, Syriac, Melkite, Maronite, Syro-Malabar, Ordinariate, Ambrosian, Coptic Catholic and other Rites.
Any Rite or Form claiming discrimination is disingenuous.

JBQ said...

"Any Rite or Form claiming discrimination is disingenuous". You are kidding "whom" or even whom are you kidding? This is all about "storming the barricades" with a white cassock in the lead with a torn bodice.

Constantine said...

@"Max Zerwick"_ all the Rites except for the Novus Ordo Western Rites are sacrifices for the sins of the people(even after confessed sins unto the complete forgiveness of even purgatorial punishments). The normal Rites are different expressions of Sacrifice for Propitition. The Novus Ordo Liturgical Prayers 2,3,4 assumes we are so worthy that propitiation is probably unnecessary

John F. Kennedy said...

Priests should just start offering the Mass in the Square outside facing the East... See how quickly a crowd gathers...

James said...


Damien, your final sentence makes the best point. ("And neither in most of Italy").
The number of Italian natives that attend any rite of the Mass there is miniscule.

I have wondered if this move has been a slap back at conservatives Americans who have led the charge in boycotting the Peter's Pence collection. (I am looking at you Taylor Marshall, Michael Hitchborn, and Michael Voris).

The Vatican has received only pennies from tourism for the last 15 months because of COVID.
Combining this with the Peter's Pence boycott, things must be close to disaster.

(To other potential commenters: save me the speech about the Peter's Pence money financing RocketMan. I know that. It stinks.
But some of Peter's Pence goes toward maintaining the properties like St. Peter's.
Mundane things like paying the light bill and heating the place.

JBQ said...

St. Sabina Parish in Chicago (Rev. Michael Pfleger) is holding back its obligation to the Archdiocese per week. This is a poor parish and they give 100,000.00 per week. The Archdiocese of Chicago has a "bottomless well".----The Archdiocese of DC is seen within the last week to give the retired and disgraced Cardinal Wuerl 2,000,000.00 per year. There is a "bottomless pit". Money is endless.---Here in this Midwestern Archdiocese, I stumbled on an appraisal for a rectory in one of the poorest areas of town. It is appraised at 750.000.00 when every property around it for a number of square miles have appraisal value of 30,000.00.----The Vatican Bank was started with the money that Pius XII got from Mussolini for compensation for the Papal States. They got 30 million pounds Sterling in 1929. I found that the Vatican now has a property portfolio worth 500 million Pounds Sterling with most of the holdings being in London.----Pius XII was very adept at business. In fact, his brother handled negotiations with Mussolini. That appears to be the expertise enjoyed by Benedict.---It appears that Bergoglio "has cut the baby in half" and he/she lived as twins. The world revolution that he is orchestrating will do away with the banking system as we know it. World socialism will have a simpler form of existence.----Is he crazy or what? What does he hope to do? The blessing of "loaves and fishes" worked once upon a time when there was a moral order. The return to simpler times is one thing. The equating of socialism and insanity is another.---The Iscariot was the banker for the "group of fishermen" chosen by God. He sold the Christ for 30 pieces of silver. That is a far cry from a portfolio of 500 million pounds.---Someone please tell Jorge that life is lots more complicated than that time of long ago. He wants a "managed economy" and he wants women and gays to run it. Let him run a McDonald's franchise for six months. It won't work.

Dan said...

All this will achieve is to send more and more faithful to the SSPX.
Perhaps they will be the means in which God restores the Faith

Constantine said...

@"Dan", the SSPX does not seem too fond of prostylitizing Novus Ordo Catholics.They seem to work as candle or guiding light in a sea if ignorance. They don't want to create a "parallel church". But this is the problem.The SSPX should not be the government of Church. But they should be the party apparatus that shadows and behind the scenes seeks to guide every organ of government, in the same way as the Communist party of the USSR had a party organ that paralleled and shadowed the official government.

Anonymous said...

I know of 2 Thuc line Priest's who went to Rome on a pilgrimage.
They are from the Des Lauriers side of the Thuc line.
A Roman clerical official allowed both to offer 2 separate Holy Sacrifice of the Mass in one of the Church's in Rome.
They also blessed Holy articles of the Faith for an hour outside of St.Peter's.
Not every cleric in Rome is heretical.
Pray for the conversion of
Jorge Mario Bergolio.
God bless

Anonymous said...


Dan said...

All this will do is to send more, mostly young people to the SSPX and other breakaway groups

Anonymous said...

the SSPX does not seem too fond of prostylitizing Novus Ordo Catholics.They seem to work as candle or guiding light in a sea if ignorance. They don't want to create a "parallel church"

This was a mistake on their part form the very beginning, but that is because the late,great Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre wanted to remain faithful. Noble aim, but foolish because so many more millions would have come to the SSPX looking for true Catholicism. But I understand Lefebvre's stand. After all, despite his faults, Paul VI, and afterward JPII were nevertheless legitimate Popes, and (except for Paul VI's liturgical revolution/disaster), wold never have been as radical as the clown who bears the title (however illegit it is) of "Pope" today.

But had they stood as a "traditionalist" Catholic Church, instead of just the SSPX, they could have achieved much more. Nearly all the "VAtican II" Orders in the Church today have a median age of 70+ (and for many Orders of nuns, 80+). Nearly 0 members remain of these Orders who knew the beauty of the Catholic Faith before Vatican II. What is left are all the radicals , femminists, progressivists, who destroyed their own Orders in the mid-1960's and early 1970's, and very few others younger. Ragdicals like "Sisters"Joan Chittister, Teresa Kane, Donna Quinn and others are all in their 80's. The radical liberal male counterparts are in their 80's and 90's (Hans Kung). The first wave of enthusiastic radicals who embraced Vatican II and pushed for more are all now in their late 70's, 80's and 90's. And there are very few in their Orders younger.

Had the SSPX been a "traditionalist branch" of the CAtholic Church, they could have established traditional branches of hundreds of Orders (rather than traditional branches of the two dozen or so Orders they do have). Think of all the Orders that would have been saved...when the Jesuits, White Fathers, Trappists, Augustinians, Redemptorists, Franciscans went down in flames of Vatican II, there would have been small (but flourishing), traditional branches to eventually take their place. Same with once huge Orders of nuns, which before Vatican II might have had 12,000 members with an average age of 37 in 1962 (Sisters of the Good Shepherd, RGS), down to the 2,966 members today with a median age of close to 80!

In the short term, this disasterous decision about Masses at St. Peter's may stand for a time. But Francis is in his 85th year. Though he might look well, they're cutting back on his audiences, and liturgical celebrations (regardless of Covid). That's not a good sign. He'll be gone sooner than later.

Because of the harm he and his people have done, I and a lot of Catholics believe that the next Pope will be totally the opposite to Francis and his people......someone more akin to the mindset of Benedict XVI liturgically and in other ways. Much to the dismay of the Francis crowd.

Even if the traditional, True Faith is relegated basically to the Catacombs, it will flourish, whereas the Vatican II Vatican and Catholic Church will die out quickly, by reasons of age and spiritual exhaustion. They'll cling to the Novus Ordo and VAtican II to the last man......which may not be to long a wait.

Damian M. Malliapalli

Jake Allbright said...

Faith practice in most western Catholics has been sliding gradually, with just a few rebounds just after Vat II, and accelerated rapidly in the 70s-80s. The relentless decline has much to do with a combination of the Faithful losing trust in the bishops and their monumental dysfunctional governance and the collapse of the local parish due to constant massive demographic shifts that have weakened and eroded social stability in these faith communities.
Most of the religious orders and congregations had reached their natural life spans regardless of Councils, popes, theologies etc. Church history reveals the patterns and cycles of birth and decline of these movements. The ones that are attracting recruits are essentially Amish in spirit and culture. The kids give it away eventually as they do in the SSPX, FSSP etc.
Nostalgia is a nice place to visit but few are permanent residents.

Anonymous said...

If Paul VI JP-2 and B-XVI were legitimate Catholic Popes,60 % of this downward spiral post-1965 wouldn't be happening.
God bless -Andrew

Peter Comestor said...

Why should you care, Andrew? You're smug in you entrenched sedevacatism.
In passive aggression, God bless.....

Anonymous said...

"If Paul VI JP-2 and B-XVI were legitimate Catholic Popes,60 % of this downward spiral post-1965 wouldn't be happening.
God bless -Andrew"

Hey Andrew,

I was just saying that Paul VI, JP I, JP II, and Benedict XVI were in fact legitimatly elected and thus legit Popes......compared to this Argentine clown who campaigned for himself before the conclave, had a handful of rad liberal cardinals campaign for him, and was part of a group which (including Danneels of Belgium), orchestrated himself (Bergoglio) to be elected Pope.

Paul VI was the odds on favorite in 1963 and he got the prize. JP I came out of no where and won, same with John Paul II. Benedict XVI entered the conclave the favorite, and won.
Bergoglio was runner up. He and his supporters were poor losers in 2005, and were determined (as like the Democrats were in 2016 when Trump won), to do everything they could to make Ratzinger/Benedict XVI's reign as miserable as much so that he eventually quit.
And then they were free to put their man, Bergoglio in. JUst like the rad liberal Democrats did with Biden in 2020.

Paul VI, JPI, JPII and Benedict XVI (despite the disaster of Vatican II), were legit Popes. Bergoglio's election was orchestrated/planned/campaigned for. He 's not legit. He might sit on the throne, but he's a false pope.

Damian M. Malliapalli

Anonymous said...

Nostra Aetate.
Read it.
Anti Pope Paul VI was the last one who received the coronation + he created the new doubtful rite of Holy Orders which abolished the Subdiaconate.
(The order in which the future Priest makes a vow of celibacy.)

God bless -Andrew

Anonymous said...

"Anti Pope Paul VI was the last one who received the coronation"

On this I agree. I'm too young (33 in a few weeks), to ever remember or see a papal coronation (except on old newsreels). My Grandfather was a young college professor in the mid-1950's (b. 1921) and made hundreds of reels of coverage of Vatican and Rome ceremonies....many with Pius XII (Grandfather was in Rome 1952-60) teaching. So I know what a real Pope looked like and the ceremonies he officiated at. After he died ( June, 2018) we started the huge task of transferring all his old reels from his Rome years onto dvd. We're still not done yet. Some of the family stuff did not hold up well over 55+ years, but the Rome material did, and one of my favorites was the 1954 coverage he shot of the Canonization of Pope Pius X, by Pope Pius XII (about 1 1/2 hrs of clips we had made into 1 dvd) I don't think even JPII brought out as big a crowd into St. Peters' Square for any reason as Pius XII did that day!!! Anyway, I know how a real pope looked, so I agree that the Coronation is truely an esential ceremony in the installation of a true Pope....not the improvised 45 minute. service begun by JP I, and shortened even further by Francis in 2013.
I also agree that Paul VI was wrong to abolish the office of Porter, and Subdeacon in the aftermath of the Vatican II fiasco.
Perhaps Paul VI was not a legit pope, because I remembered ( yesterday), that there actually was a push for his election by the French and German cardinals in the conclave. The Italian faction was torn between Siri (who should have been elected in 1958...and actually was), Montini (Paul VI), and Giacomo Lecaro (who was a rad liberal and would have been even worse than Paul VI).
Some people say that no Pope has been legit since the death of Pius XII. I do know that that is nearly 100% true about John XXIII (because Siri was elected first, and took the name Gregory, but was forced to resign by Cardinals inside the conclave who didnt want him (the French, Germans, and some Americans). Then Roncalli (John XXIII) was elected instead.
I think JP I was legit, because he came out of no where, and having read about him know that he was not the wonderful liberal some people have written him up as since he died. Some of his writings are really reactionary, and it would have been interesting if he had more time.
JPII was probably legit because he wasn't even in the running, didn't campaign for himself or others for him. Benedict XVI was legit, because he was a reaction against alot of VAtican II, and those who elected him hoped he would correct the Church as he had done as CDF head. He didn' his discredit. But he made a lot of conservative and hard line and traditional decisions that infuriated the left. They were determined (under the leadership of the over-80 Cardinal CArlo Martini, SJ) to force him out. MArtini died (2012) before his henchmen succeeded.....but Benedict XVI quit in 2013 and the radical's choice, Francis, was elected. No surprise.
I think the next Pope will be the opposite of Francis. I have 2 friends in Rome who know things, and tell me that Francis is not popular at all in the Vatican.....and the people of Rome hate him. So I think we will be in for a surprise....3-4 steps backwards towards Catholic Faith and tradition with the next Pope.

Damian M. Malliapalli

Anonymous said...

Wish there clips of Priests + Bishops ordained + consecrated between 1968-1969.
Would love to see the contrast of the old + new Rite ceremonies.
Only One I can find online is a new Rite "Consecration" in Hungary circa 1969.
God bless -Andrew

Anonymous said...

Spoken like a true presumptuous scorned ex-wife.
God bless -Andrew