Sunday, December 31, 2023

“Whoever Doesn’t Have a Good Relationship With Pope Francis, Isn’t Catholic “


At the end of the year, Cardinal Matteo Zuppi waves his rod against critics of the Fiducia Supplicans pontificate

 (Rome) Resistance to the Roman declaration Fiducia supplicans on homosexual blessings is internal.  There is great indignation among the faithful, including in Italy, where the maxim of not wanting to be “more papal than the Pope” applies.  Cardinal Matteo Zuppi, the chairman of the Italian Bishops' Conference, now threatened to use the rod to discipline the clergy and believers.

Today TV2000, the bishops' television station, is broadcasting an interview with the cardinal as a review of the year and an outlook.  Zuppi, with his unmistakable Roman accent, belongs to the Community of Sant'Egidio.  He was appointed archbishop of Bologna, Italy's left-wing stronghold par excellence, by Pope Francis and created a cardinal.  Zuppi is very close to Francis and is used by him as a peace mediator in the Ukrainian war.  In addition, the 68-year-old cardinal is considered the Bergoglian papabile in the next conclave.

A central content of the interview was distributed in advance by the Italian state press agency ANSA.  The wish is that this part of the message in particular should reach people.  According to ANSA, Zuppi first emphasizes:

 “There is a good dialectical relationship between the Italian Church and Pope Francis.”

To then get to the actual message:

"If you're Catholic and you don't have good relations with the Pope, then maybe you've forgotten that you're Catholic, I think."

In other words, anyone who does not follow Pope Francis “is not Catholic.”  In the current context, the statement is obviously aimed at contradicting Fiducia supplicans.

Of course, the cardinal continued, this applies in principle to “every pope,” but of course, “as always in life,” one can feel “closer to one pope than to others” because of one’s own history, “because of sensitivity, because of some words.”  but it’s always about the Pope.”  However, the rod that Zuppi wields is intended to discipline the clergy and believers not for just any pope, but for Francis.

In the context, there is also a reference to the Fiducia supplicans declaration, which is currently causing tempers to flare up.  Zuppi packages his support for “Love is Love”, the slogan of irregular relationships, especially the gay movement, as follows:

 “Sometimes the church also has a certain idea, which I think is distorted, to think that it has the copyright on love, 'the real one is ours, the other's is worth a little less'.  Obviously we then understand that our Lord is much wider than our hearts, and he allows us to discover many beautiful, incredible testimonies, many examples.  How can you have a master so great and yet be such a failure?  The Church is not an NGO, it is much more.”

Such statements, with the approval of Pope Francis, have been known for years by the Viennese Archbishop Christoph Cardinal Schönborn.

As a further example of the “dialectical relationship,” Zuppi cited the fact that Francis had asked the bishops’ conference “to be light, to do a lot with little, to help, but not to do it because we have the means, but to use the means,  to do things.”

Because of his papal mission as a peace broker in the Ukraine conflict, the cardinal commutes between Kiev, Moscow, Washington and Beijing.  So far, however, it has been largely unsuccessful.  Regarding his commitment, he said with reference to Francis:

“We must do everything to achieve peace because war hurts, it kills, it is a pandemic.”

 Text: Giuseppe Nardi

 Image: TV2000 (screenshot)

Trans: Tancred vekron99@hotmail.Com

AMDG

23 comments:

Anonymous said...

I think that Mr Zuppi is mistaken about who is and who is not truly 'Catholic', and it doesn't have anything to do with whether they have a good relationship with Mr Bergoglio.

On another matter, it seems clear that there will not be a lasting peace in Ukraine until a true Pope properly consecrates Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary in union with all of the true Catholic Bishops of the world.

Guido Rossi said...

Two things are as clear aa a bell from you min-rant, Nemo 8:05 PM: 1) effectively you are in schism from the Catholic Church and 2) Russia has been 'consecrated' numerous times- mostly in Latin - but they didn't have the effect you were bargaining on.

Phinnpoy said...

This statement by Zuppi is just like the one made by Biden in 2020. Biden said, " if you don't vote Democrat, you ain't black." What's next? Will he call us dog faced reactionaries?

Anonymous said...

Extra Extra Read All About it! Smug Globohomo Elite Boomer ™️ is Mad People are opting out of his boring corporate “Church”.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous 7:31, the adjective "corporate" really nails it.

GR said...

The Church is the Body of Christ, his 'corporate' presence in human history.

The Incarnation is the incorporation of the divine in the human and is at the heart of Christian faith.

With what part of that do you have problems, Nemos 7:31 AM and 3:04 PM?

Anonymous said...

You believe in God incarnate?

I'd have thought the modern corporate churchman, corporate in the worst possible sense of the word, was uninterested in mystici corporis?

Mathetes Patmos said...

Καὶ ὁ λόγος σὰρξ ἐγένετο, καὶ ἐσκήνωσεν ἐν ἡμῖν — καὶ ἐθεασάμεθα τὴν δόξαν αὐτοῦ, δόξαν ὡς μονογενοῦς παρὰ πατρός — πλήρης χάριτος καὶ ἀληθείας. John 1:14

Anonymous said...

This simpering fool's assertion that the blatantly satanically heretical, and increasingly apparently homo, Bergoglio, personifies Catholicism is beyond absurd. Must be angling for the next rigged conclave. He has the obligatory "conciliatory" smirk down pat. Maybe the Zup should read up on Catholicism before more of this lame gaslighting.

Barnoumos said...

Attention Gaybriel, the self-proclaimed "roads scholar:"

13 Εαν δε τις κοιμηθη μετα αρρενος, καθως κοιμαται μετα γυναικος, βδελυγμα επραξαν αμφοτεροι· εξαπαντος θελουσι θανατωθη· το αιμα αυτων θελει εισθαι επ' αυτους.

Just so we're clear, and not queer:

13 Qui dormierit cum masculo coitu femineo, uterque operatus est nefas: morte moriantur: sit sanguis eorum super eos.

Finally, in Hebrew, as ordered by the Lord:

וְאִ֗ישׁ אֲשֶׁ֨ר יִשְׁכַּ֤ב אֶת־ זָכָר֙ מִשְׁכְּבֵ֣י אִשָּׁ֔ה תֹּועֵבָ֥ה עָשׂ֖וּ שְׁנֵיהֶ֑ם מֹ֥ות יוּמָ֖תוּ דְּמֵיהֶ֥ם בָּֽם׃

Leviticus 20:13

MP said...

Well, Nemo 7:07 PM, the Schism, perhaps a soft one at this stage, is well and truly gaining momentum and you are part of it. But you might keep in mind the rather confronting jingle, Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus.

Anonymous said...

Maybe you can give it up, along with commenting here, for the New Year.

Barnum said...

Maybe you can give it up, along with commenting here, for the New Year.

Barnum said...

The definition of incorporation differs from corporate, Gaybriel. You know that, or at least should, self-proclaimed roads scholar. If you don't, pay me a $300 consulting fee and I'll explain it to you.

GR said...

"Maybe you can give it up, along with commenting here, for the New Year."

Took two attempts for the Dullard to break out of his own labyrinth.

Well done. You get a toffee apple.

Anonymous said...

The recent lightning strike on St. Peter's Statue in Argentina should wake people up to what God thinks of 'Pope' Francis.

Anonymous said...

Just when I thought Gaybrielle couldn’t be more effete and gay.

Jimham said...


That means God ISN'T Catholic!!!!

GR said...

"That means God ISN'T Catholic!!!!"

Congratulations, Jimmy Pork, you get the Zwingli prize in religious education. You're correct:
God is not Catholic but there's more. Nor were Jesus, Mary and Holy St Joseph, nor the Apostles. In fact Christians did not even mention 'Catholic' until the early second century AD.

Anonymous said...

Gaybrielle just got more effete. There’s nothing more degenerate than a Calvinist.

GR said...

כַּשֶּׁ֤לֶג ׀ בַּקַּ֗יִץ וְכַמָּטָ֥ר בַּקָּצִ֑יר כֵּ֤ן לֹֽא־נָאוֶ֖ה לִכְסִ֣יל כָּבֽוֹד׃

And that applies to the dullards you try to protect from their stupidity.

Don L said...

Doesn't "not having a good relationship with Pope Francis" fall under the very new Catholic criterion of "diversity"?

Anonymous said...

Hmmm… just how adamant was Zuppi and his ilk with all the revolutionary cardinals, bishops, and priests who refused obedience to the last two popes? Certainly the disobedience in them demonstrates how uncatholic they—and Zuppi—are. Even should an angel of light preach contrary to the Gospel of Christ, let him be anathema.