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Rumors have been circulating for weeks about an Apostolic Constitution with which Pope Francis wants to finally put an end to the Immemorial Mass. A rescriptum for the execution of Traditionis Custodes, published on February 21, could be a precursor to this.
In an interview with the Catholic online portal Aleteia, the French district superior of the Fraternity of St. Peter, Abbé Benoît Paul-Joseph, recalls that this document does not contain anything significantly new, but rather specifies the general guidelines from Traditionis Custodes regarding the permission to celebrate according to the Missal of 1962 for priests ordained according to Traditionis Custodes and regarding the use of parish churches for the celebration of the traditional liturgy and the establishment of personal parishes.
However, the local bishops are now, without exception, referred to the sole responsibility of the Dicastery for Worship and the Order of the Sacramenta. Special permits that have already been granted must subsequently be checked by the Holy See.
Nothing will change for the FSSP, emphasizes the French district superior, since on February 11, 2022 the Pope gave it a confirmation of its liturgical autonomy, according to which all of its priests have the power to:
“to celebrate the Sacrifice of the Mass, administer the Sacraments and other holy rites, and perform the Office according to the respective Editio typica of the liturgical books in force in 1962, i. H. the Missal, the Rituale, the Pontificale and the Breviary.
They may exercise this power in their own churches and oratories; in other places, however, only with the consent of the local ordinary, except for the private celebration of Mass”.
Abbé Benoît Paul-Joseph underlines that the Pope's concession is also due to the "fidelity of our founders to the Pope at the moment of the consecration of four bishops by Monsignor Lefebvre without papal permission.” Pope Francis has expressly emphasized that this behavior must be "honoured, protected and encouraged.” Abbé Benoît also sees all other ex-Ecclesia Dei communities addressed here.
However, the papal confirmation also states:
“Nevertheless, the Holy Father recommends that the provisions of the motu proprio Traditionis Custodes also be taken into account as far as possible.”
How easily a “recommendation” can become an obligation! The rumors about a final document for the complete destruction of the Immemorial Mass by the rescript are not yet confirmed. There is still no ban on priestly ordination in the traditional Rite, and the confirmation of liturgical proper law still applies in particular to the Society of St. Peter.
But a possible ban on priestly ordinations is looming ominously on the horizon and would correspond to the Pope's previous approach of ruling with the stick and a little carrot until the latter is completely abolished.
The injuries that he has already inflicted on tradition-bound believers who, loyal to the pope and the teaching office, adhere to the traditional liturgy and want to partake of its fullness of grace are serious. Francis does not let his cards be looked at and acts in a ruthlessly autocratic manner, precisely in his dogged ideological struggle against tradition and the traditional Mass.
The declared goal remains the elimination of the traditional Latin mass. It is only a matter of time for Pope Francis. And he sees himself as the master of this time. Despite all the relief that the worst has not yet happened, one should not hide one thing: the TC or the accompanying letter to the bishops announced the gradual re-education of the faithful “who are rooted in the previous form of celebration and need time , to return to the Roman Rite as taught by Saints Paul VI. and John Paul II was promulgated”.
In France in particular, we have followed how a number of bishops have taken the first steps after TC in their dioceses with bans and "re-education decrees" and have proven their loyalty to the line.
Building trust looks different.
Ultimately, this also applies to other areas. Thus, even the clear papal admonitions and warnings in the direction of German-synodal detours cannot provide lasting reassurance as long as schismatic acts continue to be pushed ahead, above all by Bishop Bätzing, without Rome following up the warning words with deeds and appropriate sanctions. If one does not want to interpret such an incongruous behavior as a "weakness in leadership", the only remaining assumption is that openness is a tactic to achieve one's own goals, which may play a role in the world synod on synodality.
Quite apart from that, one can certainly ask oneself the question of whether the stubborn German bishops in Rome could not at some point be used as compliant and then very Rome-loyal vicarious agents in undermining tradition. Despite the calm in this country so far, where the energies are still tied up by the so-called synodal path, one must not forget that, with Bätzing and companions, a large part of the German episcopate is undeterred and concerned with a fundamental change in faith and teaching and with it may not necessarily be well-disposed towards the old fair. Because in the context of the tradition, no Maria 2.0 supporters thrive, whether they be priests or lay people, from "*inside", God* and so-called rainbow flags that are deficient in color, one is spared, teaching authority and tradition apply, the catechism is the guideline for a Catholic way of life and no one wants a ratty sexual morality, as practiced in the world ruled by an unholy "spirit of the times".
Lots of questions, lots of worries. Perhaps it is good that Abbé Benoît is now advising Paul-Joseph to take advantage of the rich graces of Lent to take a salutary distance from all these disturbances in the presence of the Lord and to find spiritual nourishment in the texts of the traditional Latin liturgy find that the attachment to the old liturgy has nothing ideological about it. It is about living from the spiritual riches of this liturgy. Especially during Lent she offers a powerful help.
Let us follow the calls to prayer and fasting in this way:
"We call on all Catholics of good will to pray and do penance this Lent for the resolution of this question and the freedom of the ancient Latin Mass."
Trans: Tancred vekron99@hotmail.Com
The FSSP is finished
Agreed, they’re toast
and Paul 6 and JP2 are not saints.
So: as long as the FSSP gets theirs, to hell with everything and everyone else - including the clear and unambiguous ancient Faith of Holy Church that have been under attack since 1965 - and exponentially so in this Bergoglian papacy.
Real classy, FSSP.
Not sure how you got to these conclusions from reading this article.
Not being a jerk here, but would you explain your thinking?
What are you referring to?
The FSSP is "finished".
and then there's sspx
This new raft of restrictions will shackle the professional airport bishops like Card Burke and Athanasius of Kazakhstan as well as the cohort of rootless freelance priests who have turned the TLM into an industry to the detriment of all.
Cool thinking required and swift action against grifters.
I'd be interested in attending one of these re-education things. Would be fun.
Are you thinking of Fr. Z?
What was once holy remains holy. Per Quo Primum and the Council of Trent, the TLM is the only sanctioned Mass for Latin Rite Catholics. No Pope, Cardinal, Bishop or prelate of the Church has any authority to suppress, suspend, or alter the TLM. Any priest with faculties has the right to offer the TLM without seeking any additional permission. Furthermore, nothing from Vatican II called for the novelties found in the Novus Ordo so this isn’t about adherence to VII. This is and has always been about whether we remain Catholic (TLM) or become just another protestant sect (Novus Ordo).
Whose their bishop?
='Go ahead with your Mass (for now as you must get in step w the changing times)'
First Holy Communion?
Does not look very good to me.
Trads are still attempting to negotiate their way through the official teaching of the Catholic Church that "the Pope enjoys, by divine institution, supreme, full, immediate, and universal power in the care of souls."[Catechism of the Catholic Church].
That CCC teaches that his Magisterium (the Keys) enjoys an authority greater than Councils, even Trent. It's an intractable bind for many Catholics not just Trads.
You rad trads had better behave yourselves because we’re watching your every move.
In that light, can a pope repeal a dogma, the Immaculate Conception, for example? Nor can he abrogate approved and accepted rites (aka Tradition) such as the TLM. ALL Conciliar popes are guilty of this heresy.
The Pope cannot alter or delete core doctrine. I don't think the form of the TLM ritual is a matter of divine revelation.
But what if it is dogmatic teaching based, obviously, on divine revelation? Isn't Tradition one of the two pillars of revelation? I would think that if anything resembles Tradition, it is the TLM.
"So our Mass goes back with out essential change, to the
age when it developed out of the oldest liturgy of all...there is
not in Christendom another rite so venerable as ours." Father Fortescue
"The Roman Rite of Mass," as Jungmann says, "grew out of the
apostolic traditions, and the Roman Canon, according to the Council
of Trent, 'is made up from the words of Our Lord from apostolic traditions, and from devout instructions of the holy pontiffs.'” Father Jungmann
"The Council Fathers of Vatican II expressed their intention to
remain faithful to their pastoral duties regarding the liturgy, but the
commission appointed by Paul VI, the Consilium, subverted the
Council’s programme for legitimate liturgical revision, and brought
about a new Protestant Reformation in the Church." p. 12 "Suicide of Altering the Faith of the Liturgy," Father Paul Kramer
“Who dreamed on that day (when the council Fathers voted for the Liturgy
Constitution) that within a few years, far less than a decade, the Latin past of
the Church would be all but expunged, that it would be reduced to a memory
fading in the middle distance? The thought of it would have horrified us, but it
seemed so far be yond the realm of the possible as to be ridiculous. So we
laughed it off.” – Archbishop Robert J. Dwyer in Twin Circle, Oct. 26, 1973; note 23 in Kramer
"Bugnini (secretary of the Consilium) himself revealed his schismatical intentions to destroy the liturgy when he stated on May 7, 1967, 'It is not simply a question of restoring a valuable masterpiece, in some cases it will be necessary to provide new structures for entire rites ... it will truly be a new creation.'30 Joseph Gelineau S.J., 'one of the most influential members of Archbishop Bugnini’s Consilium, which actually composed the New Mass',31 spoke of the Roman liturgy saying, 'Let
them compare it with the Mass we now have. Not only the words, the
melodies and some of the gestures are different. To tell the truth, it is
a different liturgy of the Mass. This needs to be said without ambiguity: the Roman Rite as we knew it no longer exists. It has been destroyed (il est detruit).'" Kramer, p. 12
SSPX 2006/2007 -- In a MASSIVE Rosary Crusade prays MILLIONS of Rosaries, beseeching our Blessed Mother to intercede - NOT that THEY get the TLM - NO - They prayed that we ALL would get the TLM.
2007 We ALL got the TLM.
FSSP 2023 -- Issues statement essentially agreeing that as long as THEY get to keep the TLM the rest of us can take whatever abuse Bergoglio wants to dish out.
2022/2023 -- Bishops all over the world are shutting down our TLMs. Those of us (like me) in backwaters no one has ever heard of don't even get noticed when we're cut off from the Ancient Mass -- and it's happening all over.
SSPX got it -- by ourselves they'll just pick us off one by one.
And FSSP's position is that that is just fine.
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