Saturday, May 11, 2019

The LGBT Political Campaign Behind Pope Francis' Election

By David Martin 

With theologians and bishops aghast over what some are calling ‘the most terrible schism the world has ever seen,’ it behooves the Catholic hierarchy to take a closer look at the 2013 papal election since it appears to have raised to the Chair of Peter “a man, not canonically elected.” 

To recap, on the eve of the 2013 conclave, Cardinal Óscar Rodríguez Maradiaga who was one of the key kingmakers for the papal election was busily on the phone with cardinal electors from the Honduran embassy in Rome. His frenzied phone effort was the tail end of an intense lobbying campaign to secure votes for the election of Cardinal Jorge Bergoglio as pope. 

That same day, Maradiaga attended a private meeting of Bergoglio supporters, which included key players in the “St. Gallen Mafia,” and together they garnered pledges for up to twenty-five votes for Bergoglio. Not surprisingly, Bergoglio opened with twenty-six votes on the first day of the conclave, though that number would rise to 77 on the second day indicating that this campaign effort was gaining ground. Three days later the newly elected Pope Francis asked Maradiaga to head his powerful new Council of Cardinals, known as the “Council of Nine.”

Six years later, the pope and his “vice pope” are accused of perpetuating “one of the worst crises in the history of the Catholic Church.” A recent open letter addressed to the bishops of the Church accuses Pope Francis of being “guilty of the crime of heresy” and alleges that “Pope Francis has protected and promoted homosexually active clerics and clerical apologists for homosexual activity” indicating “he believes that homosexual activity is not gravely sinful.”

The letter cites the papal favor enjoyed by Maradiaga, a revolutionary accused of covering up for homosexual bishop Juan José Pineda Fasquelle. Pineda was forced to resign amidst allegations that he sexually abused seminarians and embezzled over $1.3 million to “pay for sexual favors” and “maintain a network” of gay-lovers. Reports have it that Maradiaga has brutally ruined the careers of at least six priests who spoke out against Pineda.

Fruits of Vote Canvassing

Hence Franciswho has abetted anti-life forces, betrayed the underground Church in China, sacked loyal priests, empowered homosexuals, rewarded abortionists, praised Luther, blessed adultery, denied the miracle of the loaves, and professed manifold heresy—occupies the Papal Chair today because of this LGBT canvassing campaign that made the difference in determining the outcome of the 2013 papal election. On August 27, 2018, Vatican correspondent Edward Pentin tweeted concerning this political campaign.
“Cdls Danneels & Ex-Cdl McCarrick campaigned for Bergoglio to be Pope, as did ++Maradiaga on eve of Conclave, phoning up various cardinals from the Honduran embassy in Rome. Despite their pasts, all 3 prelates have since been special advisors of Francis or rehabilitated by him.”
As we know, the late Cardinal Danneels was a public advocate of “gay marriage” and McCarrick was defrocked of his bishopric last February after being indicted for homosexual predation of seminarians and for covering up the sexual-abuse of numerous seminarians perpetrated by some 300 priests under his jurisdiction. 

San Gallen’s Mafia

Danneels confessed on video in September 2015 that he and several cardinals were part of the notorious St. Gallen’s Mafia that had conspired for the ouster of Benedict XVI and the election of Cardinal Bergoglio, and it was this very group that culminated its campaign effort just before 2013 conclave, showing clearly that conspiracy played a key role in the outcome of the election. Danneel’s confession alone stands as irrefutable evidence.  

Austen Ivereigh's book, The Great Reformer, brings to light how Cardinal Murphy O'Connor (a homosexual) along with several key cardinals had spearheaded this intense lobbying campaign, through which they secured pledges from nearly 30 cardinals to get Cardinal Bergoglio elected as pope.

According to Ivereigh, "they first secured Bergoglio’s assent" and then "they got to work, touring the cardinals’ dinners to promote their man." This was confirmed, in the case of Cardinals Murphy-O’Connor and Cardinal O'Malley, in the Wall Street Journal report from August 6, 2013. As the conclave neared, they held a series of closed meetings, known as congregations, one of which featured Cardinal Bergoglio as the keynote speaker, thereby proving that Bergoglio was colluding in this plan. 

Ecclesiastical Law Violated

The foregoing warrants episcopal inquisition into Pope Francis’ election since it contained multi-violations against Pope John Paul II’s Apostolic Constitution Unversi Dominici Gregis, which governs papal elections. The Constitution makes it clear that political vote canvassing on the part of cardinal electors is forbidden and incurs automatic excommunication upon those involved. Consider the following. 

“The Cardinal electors shall further abstain from any form of pact, agreement, promise or other commitment of any kind which could oblige them to give or deny their vote to a person or persons. If this were in fact done, even under oath, I decree that such a commitment shall be null and void and that no one shall be bound to observe it; and I hereby impose the penalty of excommunication latae sententiae upon those who violate this prohibition. (81)

Unwritten Rule

While the pope here speaks of the election itself, we should not rule out that this prohibition also applies to that time before the election when preparations are underway, since it is during this time that illicit political activity would exert its greatest influence on the vote. "Any form of pact" obliging electors "to give or deny their vote to a person" would be secured before the election. 

We should also consider that violations not mentioned in the Constitution could also criminalize the election. Crimes like extortion or LGBT bribery committed before the election would certainly render the election illicit if their influence carried into the election. 

The pope also says in his Constitution:

“Confirming the prescriptions of my Predecessors, I likewise forbid anyone, even if he is a Cardinal, during the Pope's lifetime and without having consulted him, to make plans concerning the election of his successor, or to promise votes, or to make decisions in this regard in private gatherings.” (79)

A clique of cardinals did “make plans” to force Benedict XVI’s resignation and to campaign for “the election of his successor,” with up to 25 cardinals “promising votes” the day before the election, this having come about through “private gatherings,” thus revealing the illicit conduct of those cardinal electors to be.

Under the pain of excommunication latae sententiae, the pope forbids “each and every Cardinal elector, present and future, as also the Secretary of the College of Cardinals and all other persons taking part in the preparation and carrying out of everything necessary for the election” to allow “all possible forms of interference, opposition and suggestion whereby secular authorities of whatever order and degree, or any individual or group, might attempt to exercise influence on the election of the Pope.” (80)

It was through Judas cardinals that are allied with the infamous LGBT network and who were "taking part in the preparation" of the election that the secular powers were enabled to "exercise influence on the election of the pope."

Section 76 of John Paul II's Constitution states 

“Should the election take place in a way other than that prescribed in the present Constitution, or should the conditions laid down here not be observed, the election is for this very reason null and void, without any need for a declaration on the matter; consequently, it confers no right on the one elected." (76)

There is much being said at this time concerning Francis’ errors and heterodoxy but little is said about the election that launched his revolution. Has it not occurred to Catholics that his election could have been null?

It indeed behooves the Church’s episcopal body to take a closer look at the 2013 papal election, since we may very well be witnessing the fulfillment of the prophecy of St. Francis of Assisi concerning a false shepherd. 

"At the time of this tribulation, a man, not canonically elected, will be raised to the Pontificate, who, by his cunning, will endeavor to draw many into error…. Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it under foot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Jesus Christ will send them not a true pastor, but a destroyer." (1226) 

(Taken from Works of the Seraphic Father St. Francis of Assisi, R. Washbourne Publishing House, 1882, pp. 248-250, with imprimatur by His Excellency William Bernard, Bishop of Birmingham) 


Tancred said...

AnonymousMay 10, 2019 at 2:32 PM
Under the pain of excommunication latae sententiae, the pope forbids “each and every Cardinal elector, present and future, as also the Secretary of the College of Cardinals and all other persons taking part in the preparation and carrying out of everything necessary for the election” to allow “all possible forms of interference, opposition and suggestion whereby secular authorities of whatever order and degree, or any individual or group, might attempt to exercise influence on the election of the Pope.” (80)

Oh, Mr. Martin, don't you know? JP2 just put that in there in case a non-VC2 conforming pope (like Trump) somehow got elected. The law doesn't apply to the Obamas, Clintons, Podestas, opus devil FBI/CIA/Bannon perjurers etc. If you don't believe me, just look at the bishops Francis has removed for covering up pedophilia or sodomy--most have been conservative.


David MartinMay 10, 2019 at 3:07 PM
Not so, it's the other way around. He was setting up road blocks to prevent the very harassment he received from Cdl Martini's "Mafia" gang--the same harassment that forced Benedict's abdication and opened the way for Bergoglio, who Martini loved.


AnonymousMay 11, 2019 at 4:13 AM
It is true that Martini was against JPII, even though it was that Pope who raised him from obscurity as a Jesuit professor to be Archbishop of Milan, and a Cardinal.
And it was definitely true that Martini and company were 100% against Benedict XVI. Were he not ill with Parkinson's himself n 2005, Martini wanted to be Pope, but knew that he was declining rapidly. So he supported a man even more radical than himself, and gathered other like minded Cardinals to support that man ....Bergoglio (who finished 2nd in 2005 conclave behind the hated Benedict XVI).

Unfortunatly, Benedict XVI was too much of a jellyfish to clamp down hard on them during his seven year reign. He should have sacked the lot of them. Martini died in 2012, after telling Benedict XVI it was time for him(Benedict) to go. But the radicals were now ready to put their man into the Throne of Saint Peter...Bergoglio. And we have suffered ever since.

Pope Francis was not canonically elected. This story, as well as the recent letter about his heresies, should be investigated by Cardinals and Bishops, and bring Francis and his people down and out.
Is it possible? Yes. Will it happen? Most people say no.....but there comes a point when "enough is enough".....and I think that time is here. Don't be surprised if behind the scenes, there is a growing movement of even important Cardinals, to do to Francis what his supporters did to Benedict XVI....a "coup" to force him

Tancred said...

AnonymousMay 11, 2019 at 6:37 AM
You have swallowed hook, line and sinker the dialectic the two VC2 camps, "communio" and "concilium," have created for you. Unfortunately, they are both going in the same direction to the same destination--you and all you influence along w/them.

You willfully ignore all the evidence that contradicts your position. So go: kiss the koran! Get the Hindu dot! Hide the crucifix and tell Jews they have a separate covenant w/God. Tell the Lutherans Luther was right you don't have to love God (the first & greatest commandment): have faith and sin boldly! Never convert anyone nor even mention conversion to your closest Jewish friend. Promote the U.N. of man rather than the Gospel message of Jesus Christ. Preside over masses in which naked women present gifts & serve as lectors and invent the Theology of the Body (the corrupt, condemned to death by original sin body destined for dust--not the Theology of Christ). Promote sodomites and pedophiles,sex ed of children and equality for women (altar girls and all the jobs in the parish, Jesus Christ as a woman at World Youth Day Denver 1993) all the while saying you are against abortion like "Mother" Teresa who never spoke against abortion in Calcutta the abortion capital of the world. Then corrupt the inside of the Vatican w/your drink and by 'escaping' in secular dress and winking together to hide your secret life from all those "conservatives" who do the same as you do.

Name yourself after John 23 and Paul 6 who started a new church--the counter syllabus.

Ignore that if you are not possessed by the Holy Ghost and don't possess your vessel in sanctity then you are possessed by and in communio w/the Devil: "One overt signal of occult infiltration in the Catholic Church came through a painting. In 1970 a German Lutheran received permission from Pope Paul VI to observe him during papal audiences in order to paint his portrait. Ernst Günter Hansing presented the Pope with the finished portrait in 1972. It was published in full color in the April 1972 edition of the Smithsonian, together with Paul VI’s cryptic commentary: the Pope stated that the portrait is “a mirror of the situation in the Church today,” and furthermore that “one almost needs a new philosophy to grasp the meaning of it’s context.”"

But know you risk your own soul and all you come in contact with. You cannot judge the hearts of these popes. They have gone to their eternal reward and are in the hands of God. What a mission (?) to look at the destruction they have wrought (see paul 6 w/his upside down bloody knife and then look at the destruction of souls around you; of Notre Dame--after destruction intent to rebuild w/a minaret)) and attempt to defend them by saying that's not what they intended (when none of us can know that)!

When a secular building is unsafe, it is condemned and eventually demolished so that no-one will get hurt. Why do you not look at the unsafe VC2 Church and condemn it so that you will lead no-one (especially yourself) to hell? I can tell you what God will do to the VC2 church because He did the same to the Jewish Temple. God sent the Catholic Church to preach the Gospel of Jesus Christ, to baptize every nation in the name of the Trinity, to bring God to man in the sacraments and thereby serve as a vehicle to save souls and glorify God. The intent of JP2 was expressed at Assisi--it is no different than Francis' intent. It is VC2's intent.

"And whosoever shall fall on this stone, shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it shall grind him to powder."

Tancred said...

ConstantineMay 11, 2019 at 7:46 AM
The teaching of the CATHOLIC Church is that the body is a sacred creation of God, that it was made perfect, but that Original Sin marred the beauty of that Creation. The same body will rise again in a glorified state on Judgement Day. God loves the bidies He chose for us, and we should live it and take care of it, so that it reflects God's intentions. The same goes for His Church. Our work is to resanctify His Creation, not tear it down.


A voice that cries in the desert...May 11, 2019 at 9:58 AM
The conclave that "elected" Bergoglio should have never convened to begin with. Why? Because Benedict XVI's resignation to the papacy was invalid according to the canon that regulates the act of resignation from a Pope. Therefore, if Benedict XVI's resignation is null, and there cannot be two popes, then Bergoglio could havve never been a legitimate Pope.


Michael DowdMay 11, 2019 at 11:02 AM
There is ample evidence now that Pope (?) Francis is both a heretic and a usurper. A formal inquiry should be opened. Unfortunately, this highly unlikely given the lack of faith and courage by the hierarchy. Accordingly, it might be in the best interests of the Church to encourage and strongly support a schism.

Doing this would help the worldly backers of Pope F. realize there were relatively few Catholics in the world who supported him and that those who were most serious about their faith were trying to get rid of him or break away, they (Soros, Obama, Democrats, UN, EU, etc) would withdraw their financial support from him.


David MartinMay 11, 2019 at 1:06 PM
Re: "Voice that cries in the desert." Good point. Every indication is that Pope Benedict, while having consented to step down, never renounced his papal office (munus).

On the eve of his resignation, he said: "Anyone who accepts the Petrine ministry no longer has any privacy. He belongs always and completely to everyone, to the whole Church... "The 'always' is also a "forever" – there can no longer be a return to the private sphere. My decision to resign the active exercise of the ministry does not revoke this." (General Audience, February 27, 2013)

From these words it appears that there has been no revocation of Benedict XVI’s office. According to Church law, a pope must give up "his office" for his resignation to be valid. (Canon 332) The text indicates that Benedict XVI chose to retain his office "forever," which means he is still pope, which means that Francis cannot be pope, since there cannot be two popes. If Francis is the pope, then Benedict's office is revoked, but Benedict insists it was not revoked.


Tancred said...

Rescued by MaryMay 11, 2019 at 2:09 PM
Homos Coming Out of Your Noses

Dear Catholics,

You have a pep rally for the Ten Commandments, but yet you have forsaken the law of the Lord.

You have turned your ear away from hearing the very law you now claim to profess. Your prayers are an abomination.

I, Myself have mingled this perverse spirit among you, saith the Lord.

As the children of Moses grumbled and longed for the fresh meat of Egypt, as they wandered in the desert; not satisfied with the mana from heaven. So I sent them quail for meat, till it came out from their noses.

So you, not being fulfilled with My Heavenly Bread.

You would rather have adultery instead...!!!

This scourge of sodomy that has befallen your land is itself the judgement of God against you, 'oh harlot Church...!!!

And now you have homos coming out of your noses...

"The LORD hath mingled a perverse spirit in the midst thereof: and they have caused Egypt to err in every work thereof, as a drunken man staggereth in his vomit."

You march people up the aisle and pronounce them man and wife, while they have a living spouse.

And then come and stand in My house, which is called by My Name and say:

We are delivered to do our abominations...!!!

The Hand of the Lord is against you.!

You want Me to remove the sodomites from among you...?

Ha.!! I mock you.! I ridicule you.!

I will have you in derision...

Why, you cry...!??

Because you have hardened your heart against the wife of your youth.

That's why..!

The sluts and faggots will enter the kingdom of God before you.!!


Knights of the White Washed Sepulcher...!!

Rend your hearts and not your garments.
Turn to Me with your whole hearts with Godly penance for YOUR sins against My Indissolubility.

Then I will heal your Church...


Tancred said...

David MartinMay 11, 2019 at 3:12 PM
Simplicity of speech is much preferred, but feigning prophecy is not of God.

There hasn't been any "pep rally" for the ten commandments, since they openly defy them even, saying, "Conscience now recognizes that we can break the commandments." (Amoris Laetitia, 303)

And don't forget, "the sluts and faggots" are the very perpetrators of this abomination, which means they will be slung from the Kingdom and not entered in, though yes, they have an easier time entering before the clergy who mislead them.

And don't forget too, that there are worse things than adultery, like heresy, and the infamous "Charismatic Movement" -- a Satanic deception that is perverting the Church. They call upon the "spirit" but they are calling down demons.

God's spirit is with the humble and simple.


Peter WatsonMay 11, 2019 at 4:30 PM
This lot would keep Sigmund and collaborators years to process.


AnonymousMay 11, 2019 at 6:09 PM
Aren't they all sodomites according to Vigano--just of different factions? So wouldn't whomever was elected be a sodomite elected by sodomites? You can't dig yourself out of a pit w/lies. You opus devils just follow Francis' example--shouting sodomy to try to rid yourselves of your earthly enemies, while saying nothing regarding their (or your own) apostasy. Like I said at the get go: it is not those who cry for the new order mass exclusively that are the enemy. It's you lukewarm who willingly pinch incense to every God in the pantheon and don't mind coexistence as long as you have your little corners where you pretend to worship Jesus Christ (who wants to save souls; now watch you all worships yourselves).

Rescued by Mary said...

Medjugorje is a horny headed demon with hooves.

Medjugorje was hatched out of the bowels of hell – An adulterous marriage between charismaticism and Mariolatry. It is a stench in the nostrils of a Holy God.

The roots of this phenomenon can be traced back to a grave yard where is buried a deacon; a disciple of Cornelius Jansen. What Jansen is most famous for is his treaties entitled “Augustinus” which he left for publication upon his death, after spending some twenty years of his life in its preparation. In it he readdresses the age old argument between Augustine and Pelagius in his attempt to dismantle the theology of the Jesuits and justify his rebellion against Rome in establishing the, “old catholic church” in the Netherlands. His writings which have come to be known as Jansenism have been condemned as heretical by the Church.

The deacon we are considering had a reputation among his peers for sanctity and was quoted as saying that if any miracles were performed on his grave he wanted them attributed not only to Catholicism but to Jansenism and well. Now this is where history takes a curve.

It is the theological writings of Jansen that has gotten so much attention in many circles in the study of the history of the “old catholic church” and its origin. What has fallen between the cracks however, is the answer to the request of that deacon. Satan showed the reality of Jansen’s pact with the devil when he showed up at that deacon’s grave with some of the most bizarre manifestations to make their debut in all of Church history, many of which bear a striking resemblance to what we have seen happen in the heretical protestant sects over the last fifty years, even creeping into the apostate vatican 2ew Church in the late 1960’s. The men who are responsible for this are creeps. They crept into the pulpit when nobody was looking, and have been spreading their false spirit throughout the Church like a cancer up to our present day – which brings us back to Medjugorje.

Now, the fornicating franciscans which are in rebellion to both their superiors in Rome as well as the Diocesan authorities in Mostar, where these sensational happening originated, have taken to concocting a false authority for themselves by going to none other than what is left of the, “old catholic church” which is still there in the same geographical location, to get – you guessed it – a deacon! Masquerading as a Bishop to ordain priests for their new religion that they have desperately been trying to pawn off as Catholicism to the unsuspecting masses.

They have been successful in separating the people of God from their Bishops in the vatican 2ew church by inundating them with what are supposed daily messages straight from Heaven via the ‘Mother of God’, thereby deceiving untold thousands through brainwashing techniques accomplished with the help of internet technology and old fashion gullibility. It’s been an amazing feat to observe. Truly the work of some of the best con men the world has ever seen. The used car salesmen’s old bait and switch pales in comparison to what we have been seeing take place right before our eyes.


Rescued by Mary said...

The connection between Jansenism and Medjugorjeism is spiritual in nature. Basically, it’s the same demon. The little rat has been hovering around in that area just looking for his opportunity to strike; and he found it in the disobedience of the six minions of the fallen angel that have been perpetrating this fraud for over thirty years.

When disobedience in not checked, it leads to rebellion. And this is exactly what happened in the former Yugoslavia when six young people refused to obey their Bishop, who was eventually kidnapped and severely beaten by crazed medjugorjians. Think what you will of his church, the man was just trying to do his job. And when rebellion is not swiftly put down, then it leads to mutiny, on the high seas...! Now somebody’s got to die in an attempt to restore order, regain control and prevent chaos. If this is unsuccessful then you’ve got witchcraft. Rebellion is as the as the sin of witchcraft. And this is exactly what happened to the fella that started Medjugorje - God smote him dead of a heart attack, right there on his hill of aberration. He died outside the sacraments of his church.

There is nothing more powerful in opening up a way to the demonic spirit world than rebellion; it’s more powerful that pharmaceuticals. And the devil has taken advantage of this to demonstrate his wares to his unsuspecting visitors. Nothing has ever happened at Medjugorje that the devil couldn’t do. So beware, my friend – Beware.


P.S. No one has ever seen “her” ears or “her” feet!

David Martin said...

Fr. Vlasic, a raving "charismatic," and not the 6 children of Medjugorie, was the "seer" of Medjugorie who instructed the children on what they were to say. He himself said this in an interview, but of course, he wasn't a seer but a demon possess--a pedophile with a history of sexual abuse, who abused a Sr. Ruffina and got her pregnant. And he lied about Pope John Paul II, saying that he had approved his "visions," when in fact he disapproved what he was doing.

At the very core of his anti-church activity was his involvement with the "Charismatic" sect. The whole Medjugorie episode was sparked at the International "Charismatic Renewal Conference" in Rome in May 1975. Eventually his crimes caught up with him, as with Cdl McCarrick, whereupon he was defrocked by Benedict XVI in 2009, at which time Medjugorie received the ax from Rome. The denunciation simply made official what already was the case since the good bishops of Medjugorie had denounced the cult in 1993.

David Martin said...

Mr. Anonymous who is afraid to reveal his name should stop blowing empty and careless words around. Archbishop Vigano never said that every bishop in Rome is a sodomite, but that many are. We have to acknowledge the good ones too, though, granted, they are a minority.

David Martin said...

"Rescued by Mary" makes a good point about obedience, the very thing the Church in our time violates, though we have to distinguish between obedience and false obedience. When obedience means committing a sin or moral fault, then one must not obey. As one holy priest said from the pulpit some years back, "Dearly beloved, you don't have to go to hell for anyone." The test today is to resist the false guidance of the Church (temptation) and remain obedient to tradition. Unfortunately, the masterstroke of the devil has managed to sow disobedience into the Church through obedience, which is what the Third Secret of Fatima was essentially about.

Peter Watson said...

Whom exactly are you attempting to persuade about doing precisely what, Mr Martin. If you haven't got a clear outcome in mind, they one might conclude that you are all talk and no trousers.

Michael Dowd said...

David Martin thanks for your outstanding commentary on the nearly total corruption within the Vatican. The lack of courage among our Cardinals and Bishops to do anything about our corrupt Pope, who is both a heretic and a usurper, reminds us of the their response to Henry VIII.

Obviously, the Catholic Church is in a very morally weakened state, a state that resulted from the watering down of the faith at Vatican II. I see little hope anything will be done to fix the situation.

However, with the aid of divine intervention a purified Church will eventually emerge that will be Traditional, materially poor, politically weak which will more than likely be only a remnant of its present size.

If we have learned one thing over 2000 years that the Church and the State are incompatible. Just look at the sell-out Francis has done to the Chinese Catholics. As Jesus said, "render on to Caesar the things that are Caesar's and to God the things that are God's.

Charmaine said...

Why the Resignation of Pope Benedict Must be Questioned

Rescued by Mary said...

Go Ann the Ma’am ...!!!

Anonymous said...

Anyone raised Catholic knew from day 1 that Pope Horrible was a usurper who was selected, not elected.

JBQ said...

The "winds of evil" are blowing very strongly from inside the Vatican. Paul VI had stated that the "smoke of Satan had entered the sanctuary". He admitted that he had lost control.

Rescued by Mary said...

We are living in a Post Apocalyptic Epoch

The face of the earth is a crime scene

There is no Papacy in Rome


Peter Watson said...

Mary won't rescue you from your chosen path of Sedevacantism with its associated culture of despair and nihilism.
More moderate voices such as the English Anglican John Hunwicke have been warning Trads of this tendency for ages. You might take heed of what they are saying.

Tancred said...

Does he warn about the toxic and malevolent We Are Church Catholics who set themselves up as judges over “less worthy” Catholics?

Rescued by Mary said...

You can’t have an empty chair if there is no chair.

Peter Watson said...

Tancred, you know as well as anyone that people like Hunwicke is relentless in his criticism of Pope Francis and his teaching record. That has not lead him to deviate from his constant warnings to Sedevacantists like the presumptuous 'Rescued by Mary' that to adopt the position that the chair of Peter is vacant has no place in Catholic life or debate. Sedevacantism is spiritual, theological and psychological suicide.
Deflection from this, equally, leads to a dead end.

Rescued by Mary said...

Will any of you little boys ever wake up and realize that you can’t have a Catholic Papacy without Temporal Authority...???

Much to do about nothing, all this silly argumentation about traddie land ...


Michael Dowd said...

To Rescued by Mary: The worst thing for the Church is to have temporal authority. The Church MUST be weak politically, just as Christ said. "Give to Caesar what is his to God what is His." The Papacy has been over concerned about politics since the time of Constantine. Just look how Pope (?) Francis acts. Politics is what he is ALL about. The Church must be weak politically and financially to be effective. It should not have the state enforcing it's rules. Besides, the State will end up commanding the Church, not the Church the state.

Rescued by Mary said...

Yea Mike. I hear ya... Just one problem though. That’s NOT Catholicity...! And you know it, if you’ve taken the time to read any of my writings...

Pope Pius IX was the last true Pope of Rome. We lost the Papacy when we lost the Papal States.

A Papacy without Temporal Authority is like law without sanction. You can’t tell people what to believe, you can only suggest...

And I don’t want anything to do with your stupid jesus, or your crazy mary, or your goofy ghost...

Now, what are you gunna do about it....???

Get the Swiss guard to poke me with their poles.?


Michael Dowd said...

Rescued by Mary. You need help. I will pray for you.

Jesus needs no help from the State. The State needs help from Jesus.

Rescued by Mary said...


Pope Pius IX INFALLIBILITY declared that to separate the temporal authority from the spiritual authority of the Papacy would be nothing less than to destroy the very work of God ...

Now, are you gunna stand on his grave and say otherwise ...???


Rescued by Mary said...

Oh, and by the way Mike.

What happens when the evil 2ews subject you and yours to their Noahide laws ...

And use the sword of the State to enforce them...?

What are going to do then ...???

Beg for Poland and the Visguard to call upon all true Catholics the world over, to join arms with them to restore the temporal authority to the Papal States and save the word from the Babylonian harlot ...???


Michael Dowd said...

In need of Recuse by Mary:

"Now, are you gunna stand on his grave and say otherwise ...???"

Yes. The infallible teaching of Pius IX on the need for the State to be an arm of the Church is just going to have to be nullified as it has effectively ceased to exist and was a terrible and corrupt idea in the first place.

Let me ask you something 'In need of Recuse'. Would you like to see the return of heretics being burned at the stake? You must love the new Church/State arrangement the Church has with China.

Reagan's Bush said...

And pedo clergy.

psieve2 said...

God let usurpers lead the Jews. If Pope Francis were a usurper, it might be God's Will, which is not always what He wishes. We have to be right when the leadership us wrong. We don't have to be chumps, either; just confirm each other and the children in the Church's doctrinal teachings, at least. Because the Left and Jesuits use crafty language, we may never know for sure if this Pope is a heretic and even ineligible to be pope, anyway. Maybe we'll never know if a pope will be the anti-apostle and if it's this one or if God will delay or cancel out that chastisement. Regardless, because God let him be pope, in respect to Him, we will need to be careful with our speech about him. Saints even resisted bad-mouthing abd bad thinking clergy that deserved it. Our informed and rightly-frustrated brains say it sucks, but it keeps us from bitterness and opens us to praying for them, the latter of which brings us graces. God gave us a break on so many occasions. We can't shake down the ones who owe us. God helps us!

Tancred said...

What about the fact that the average Catholic has to be confronted with your 50-some year old 120 kilo counterpart with a colorful jumper at the average parish?

Tancred said...

There is no Church without temporal authority.

Anonymous said...

If the pope is an Apostate, and we follow him, we would all become Apostates. We can know through both our Faith and reason that the election of a Protestant or an Apostate pope cannot possibly be valid. Prior to his election as pope, Jorge Bergoglio stated publically in his book “On Heaven And Earth”, in regards to same-sex sexual unions:

“If there is a union of a private nature, there is neither a third party, nor is society affected. Now, if the union is given the category of marriage, there could be children affected. Every person needs a male father and a female mother that can help shape their identity.”

With this public statement, Jorge Bergoglio denied The Sanctity of the marital act within The Sacrament of Holy Matrimony, while denying The Unity Of The Holy Ghost, and the fact that we are Called to be “Temples for The Holy Ghost”, simultaneously, ipso facto separating himself from Christ and His One, Holy, Catholic, And Apostolic Church, Through The Unity Of The Holy Ghost.

“It is not possible to have Sacramental Communion without Ecclesial Communion”, due to The Unity Of The Holy Ghost, for it Is Through Christ, With Christ, And In Christ, In The Unity Of The Holy Ghost”, that Holy Mother Church exists.

“For the Holy Spirit was not promised to the successors of Peter that by His revelation they might make known new doctrine, but that by His assistance they might inviolably keep and faithfully expound the Revelation, the Deposit of Faith, delivered through the Apostles. "

“8] But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach a gospel to you besides that which we have preached to you, let him be anathema.”

Code of Canon Law (Latin Church)
Canon 750
1. Those things are to be believed by divine and catholic faith which are contained in the word of God as it has been written or handed down by tradition, that is, in the single deposit of faith entrusted to the Church, and which are at the same time proposed as divinely revealed either by the solemn Magisterium of the Church, or by its ordinary and universal Magisterium, which in fact is manifested by the common adherence of Christ's faithful under the guidance of the sacred Magisterium. All are therefore bound to avoid any contrary doctrines.
2. Furthermore, each and everything set forth definitively by the Magisterium of the Church regarding teaching on faith and morals must be firmly accepted and held; namely those things required for the holy keeping and faithful exposition of the deposit of faith; therefore, anyone who rejects propositions which are to be held definitively sets himself against the teaching of the Catholic Church.[new]