We’re all aware of chanceries 20 years ago harassing their indult parishes for not teaching NFP (because of an abundance of children, not a dearth). But, until you visit your first TLM parish, you could be fooled into thinking we had cured Down Syndrome because you don’t see those children at the Novus Ordo parishes. Does Jones think these people are genetically superior the way the homosexuals do?
Similarly, these parishes have historically shown no interest in Međugorje Pilgrimages nor TOB lectures. Is Jones underestimating the supernatural effects of the Mass which become most apparent when people leave and go back to dying their hair blue, contracepting, and acting like Jews?
Similarly, these parishes have historically shown no interest in Međugorje Pilgrimages nor TOB lectures. Is Jones underestimating the supernatural effects of the Mass which become most apparent when people leave and go back to dying their hair blue, contracepting, and acting like Jews?
And why is he still hung up on the bizarre notion that traditionalism is a divisive movement based in New York with its strings being pulled by Jews? Take a look at a map of Ecclesia Dei parishes and you’ll see a black hole in the New York Metropolitan area precisely because the Jews have let the hierarchy know they don’t want it. Only this year did the gay bishop of Brooklyn permit a Latin Mass parish (ICKSP) to be established and that coincided with prohibiting it in the two diocesan parishes that had it occasionally.
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For the Boomers, pointing out the correlation between rites of worship and belief is pissing on a third rail the way acknowledging the existence of a JQ was for their fathers. All Boomers? Of course not, that would be a category error. We all know Boomers who wouldn’t go near a TLM who, nevertheless, are praying in front of abortuaries every week. Many of these people blew their life’s savings on a trip to MeÄ‘ugorje and they love talking about taking a century to unpack the mysteries of TOB like George Weigel’s pet parrot.
Lex orandi, lex credendi
What do schismatic societies have to do with John 10:7-10? What does the Novus Ordo have to do with apostasy? What does the Eponymous Flower have to do with stilted Jansenism?
ReplyDeleteThe stuff Jones is spouting about Traditionalists sounds remarkably similar to the cr@p his estranged partner David Wemhoff has been saying on his YouTube channel.
ReplyDeleteAckschually, learning about Liturgical Jansenism provides a lot of insight into what eventually happened at Vatican II and how those vile and heretical aesthetic minimalists wanted to strip the altars and throw the statues in dumpsters.
ReplyDeleteIt’s ironic that the Jesuits who won out in the 19th century later embraced Liturgical Jansenism combined with their own moral laxism and nominalism.
It’s interesting that they discussed Jones’s book “Slaughter of the Cities” the inspiration for Jack Cashill’s book on White Flight from Newark: “Untenable.”
ReplyDeleteThe thesis of Jones’s book wasn’t based on data he pulled out of his ass! While researching his biography of Cardinal Krol, he was given access to the Philadelphia archdiocese’s archives.
By contrast, his utterances about traditionalists and the Latin Mass are developed from false base premises that any homeschooled 8th grader should be able to refute. He clearly should stick to topics he has an interest in because he has no interest in this one!
Two principal events have shaped Dr. Jones' opinion on the Latin Mass issue.
ReplyDeleteThe first was a debate he had with the late Michael Davies. The Welsh gentleman played with him like a cat with a mouse until Christopher Ferrara stepped in and ripped his head off. To this day, he still says he won the the debate. Ask him where you can watch it and he'll just direct you to his article and say it was never filmed. FWIW, Keep-the-Faith gives away a DVD of the debate to new subscribers who, years later, come away thinking he was just a paid shill brought in to be defeated.
The second event was his encounter with the people at Michael S. Rose's Cincinnati parish Olde St. Mary's in the gentrified Over-the-Rhine district. There was tension between Jones and Rose over the latter's book "Goodbye, Good Men." Jones felt Rose was being played by those who sought to undermine the Church's moral authority as they desired a preemptive war with Iraq. Jones asked the congregation "Why don't you move here and build a community?" He concluded they wished to remain in the suburbs and hold on to their pistols because of a "fear of the nigger." In fact, the Mass at Olde St. Mary's was as fake & gay as a post-war suburban Levittown. It was the "reverent Latin Novus Ordo", introduced by the tradition-hostile Absp. Pilarczyk as a bait & switch to traditionalists. It could appeal to snooty intellectuals like Wm. F. Buckley but had nothing communal nor organic in its substance. To wit, it was designed to fail.
I tolerate Dr Jones’ ignorance on the Latin Mass issue. We have plenty of people writing on this.
ReplyDeleteHe has tackled the Jewish question with a courage not seen since Irish priests like Coughlin and Fahey. We can count very few traditional priests with courage since then.
The ad-Orientem Latin Novus Ordo Mass as seen at Old Saint Mary in Cincinnati, and Old St. Mary in Greenville, SC is what Cardinal Ottaviani had in mind when he wrote The Ottaviani Intervention. Had he seen the typical Novus Ordo Mass of today, at that point, he would've had a heart attack!
ReplyDeleteEcclesia Dei groups have been celebrating at the expense of former indult communities. Brennan is a Fag and you've reported it before.
ReplyDeleteQuestion: Did Jones take the Covid vaccine? Pope Francis said you were lower than Whale Shit if you didn't.
ReplyDeleteAsking for a friend.
Jones is a boomer.
ReplyDeleteI say he took it
Jones didn't take it. Nor did Mother Miriam (David Moss' sister)
ReplyDeleteLouis
Jones was sick with the first variant of Covid before the vaccine was introduced. He said his symptoms were mild. After the vaccine rollout, he caught Omicron and said he had no symptoms.
ReplyDeleteThrough it all, he had great empathy, as a self-employed individual, for people who faced tough decisions regarding mandates.
Seth Moore:
ReplyDeleteYes, we have: https://www.theeponymousflower.com/2025/10/evil-fey-bishop-of-brooklyn-mass.html
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ReplyDeleteJones took the jab. Wouldn’t Mark Sashay be all over him if he didn’t ?
ReplyDeleteIs Jones a crypto-Jew as Fr. Grüner suggested?
ReplyDeleteat times, Jones seem s clueless
ReplyDeleteJones was a voice of calm sanity during the pandemic. Though he admitted he didn't have the theological training to weigh in on the morality of the jab, he never thought it was necessary. He's a big anti-gun boomer but he thought the presence of guns stopped people from having their doors knocked in by needle toting goons.
ReplyDeleteInstead of crying about his parish being shut down, he should've gone to the SSPX.
Yeah, the Jews are behind the demand for the true Mass, lol. The Jews, who infiltrated the Church and pushed Vatican 2 to destroy the Mass and the Church. Come on EMJ, get real man. Your boomerisms are your downfall.
ReplyDeleteDoes Weigel own a parrot 🦜?
ReplyDeleteThat kinda makes sense.
Fun fact:
ReplyDeleteE. Michael Jones net worth:
2.2 billion dollars.
Source?
DeleteLook it up yourself, Bucky. I did.
DeleteThis video has me, once again, re-evaluating the credence I leant to Jones. I always presumed he did his research before pontificating, but that is obviously not true. He wouldn't have put forth his theories on the Jews without doing research. Why does he think he can talk off the top of his head when it comes to his fellow Catholics who go to the Latin Mass?
ReplyDeleteThere have been other times he's been just as wrong. For years, he would say that the Archie Bunker character in All in The Family was Catholic. Carroll O'Connor may have been a liberal Catholic in real life but his character was a nominal protestant lodge member who was very anti-Catholic. He would rail against Catholics breeding like rabbits (I wonder if Francis watched) and talked about how the Church owned most of the world's gold etc. His neighbors were the Lorenzos and he was always clashing with them. When he had suspicions that his wife might be entertaining the notion of converting, he showed up at the rectory and threatened Fr. Majeski. https://all-in-the-family-tv-show.fandom.com/wiki/Father_John_Majeski
Jones says he never had a TV but why would he be so reckless to make these false statements about Bunker in articles and even in his Magnus Opus on The Jews?
We need Tucker to become a Catholic and have EMJ take his place in the episcopal church.
ReplyDeleteTancred:
ReplyDeleteKtF should’ve picked Hugh Thwaites or Wm. Marra to debate EMJ. He would’ve been exposed as the lay version of Charlie Curran that he is.
Happy Shabbat, goyim!
ReplyDeleteHey Pollard: How's your new life in Isreal? Was it worth it??
ReplyDeleteThat faggot Brennan moved the Latin Mass to Bayside!! That ought to tell you what he thinks of you. Quarantine the nuts in Veronika Lueken's old stomping grounds.
ReplyDeleteJones should stick to commenting on ballet and the Jews.
ReplyDeleteHow could one person be simultaneously so right and so wrong?
ReplyDeleteHow can the same person sound so smart and so dumb at the same time?
The correlation couldn’t be clearer.
ReplyDeleteDoes Jones have an explanation he might use to explain it away?
Those stats point to an unmitigated failure by the Reformers. Their resistance to the spread of the TLM is due to stubbornness as much as hatred.
Did the parrot teach George How to talk?
ReplyDeleteI read where people have tired of their pet parrots in Australia and they have released them. Many have gone feral and taught some of the native species how to swear.
What would Holy Steve Skojec say?
ReplyDeletehttps://youtu.be/5Zit-08rtkE
Opus Dei Boomer!
ReplyDeleteJones is an ultramontane Opus Dei butt kisser. He is NEVER going against the reigning pope.
ReplyDeleteBoomer E.M.J. is being eclipsed by the potty-mouthed Fuentes.
ReplyDeleteFuentes is contemptuous of Boomers constantly and has made it clear that he does not care if they follow him or not.
Jones should ride off into the sunset.
Skirts
ReplyDeleteFor how long did Jones know that Voris was a fudgepacker before penning his expose Man Behind the Curtain?
ReplyDeleteEnquiring minds want to know.
Didn't you get the memo?
DeleteGary Michael Voris isn't a fag any longer.
He is now a really hetero guy who sprinkles his broadcasts with vulgarisms that makes him look like a regular, football viewing, beer swilling, straight guy.
(Except for the wig and fag gestures).
How can Jones write an 800 page tome on the topic of beauty and no\t see the destructive banality of the Novus Ordo?
ReplyDeleteIt sounds like Jones has earned a well deserved retirement, in a Pflegeheim!
ReplyDeleteThis really hit home. I guess you’d call me a childless spinster-convert. I’d love
ReplyDeleteto go to a Latin Mass but I live in a liturgical desert
I’ve been to them in my travels and I’ve always been struck by the number of children with Down Syndrome. Certainly having more children will increase the number of retarded children but without amniocentesis, feminism, and abortion, you can’t explain the lack of these little angels at the English Mass.
FWIW, E. Michael Jones will be the guest on the Dec. 4th episode of Avoiding Babylon. I hope some of the combox warriors will call in.
To your point about the dearth of children with Down's Syndrome: A couple of years ago the country of Iceland publicly boasted of having rid the place of babies born with Downs. Through Amniocentesis and abortion, of course.
DeleteAbsolutely frightening.
Jeff Brine:
DeleteDare I say that sounds like “genocide” of an entire group of people?
Phil
E. Michael Jones is Exhibit A for why you shouldn’t raise your children on Formula.
ReplyDeleteAnd he admitted to being fed it instead of his mother’s milk.
Jones has been tougher on the SSPX than even Francis ever was.
ReplyDeleteI remember a parable about logs, eyes, and splinters being relevant here.
Maybe it’s just age, but EMJ is sounding like a broken record
ReplyDeleteThey all sound like a broken record after a few years.
DeleteIt's always the same message.
Fuentes is already repeating himself. His 3 hour show 5 nights week is too much. He isn't that fascinating.
Fuentes comments on the news and current events, it’s a ritual I suppose.
DeleteI for one am happy with Jones being off in his own little world at times. Is anyone swayed by what he says about Latin Mass adherents? Do we need another soldier in the liturgy battle?
ReplyDeleteLet him concentrate on the Church’s external enemies and ignore what he has to say about those within the Church.
Where does Jones get off saying the older generation trads ran away from the Jews or were doing their bidding? Michael Matt and John Venarri, and Hamish Frazier were promoting Dennis Fahey when Paul Gottfried told EMJ he was a “pussy” for running away from the JQ. Yes, the anti-Zionist, elderly Jew callled Jones a PUSSY!
ReplyDeleteNow, to his credit, he responded by writing his Magnus Opus but this issue wasn’t even on his radar 20 years ago It took a Jew to provoke him along with the slanders of Pius Xll.
Maybe there isn’t a direct connection but you can’t ignore those stats and not be in da Nile and smoking da Neu Springtime Cool-Aid.
ReplyDeleteJones could pen a hundred more tomes of >800 pages and not make a dent in baby killing numbers.
Smoking the Kool-aide?
ReplyDeleteWe’ll, it shouldn’t take a “rocket surgeon” to figure out what I was trying to say.
ReplyDeleteYou should try it. In rock form and smoked in a glass pipe, Kool-Aid gives a dynamite kick. Grape-crack is my favorite flavor.
DeleteI still remember when Michael Matt went after Michael Hoffman and bragged about chilling with a rabbi on a plane trip. This was after he claimed that the ADL had put Remnant on a Hate List. Ooooh, scary!!!
ReplyDeleteSo I don’t know how Mike is today. I’ve heard he’s quietly admitting the problems with those people who want everyone to bow down to them.
There is most definitely a cucky hide from the Jews mentality in trad circles. Dennis Praeger used to be on Father Z’s speed dial during the Bush administration.
Thanks for bringing up NFP which Jones supports unconditionally.
ReplyDeleteLooking back, it seems like a gateway drug now. It obviously leads to carnal views of marriage like those found in TOB but it goes hand in hand with the feminism in the Church. That last part took me a long time to accept. Sure it seemed odd that it was always about "her body" and "her cycle." Men, we know, are always "ready." But, in my research, I found that the very term Natural Family Planning was actually coined by Planned Parenthood. They definitely preferred other techniques but the message went out to the rank & file: Don't discourage or mock Catholics if they're using this. Praise them.
YES, NFP can be used to get pregnant, but when it is proclaimed that NFP is "99% effective" there is no other way to understand "effective" except as "successful in preventing conception."
Several years ago, I heard a sermon by an FSSP priest on the topic of Marriage Debt. I had previously heard his talks on NFP and his arguments would be familiar to readers here. But, my struggle with the concept of Marriage Debt proved that I had internalized a lot more feminist thought than I thought. No where have I seen this dogma reconciled with the NFP mentality.