Wednesday, September 2, 2015

SSPX Gratefully Thanks the Supreme Pontiff for "His Fatherly Gesture"

(Rome / Menzingen) The Society of St. Pius X has thanked Pope Francis for the "fatherly gesture" with which he decreed that the absolution of sins by a priest of the SSPX during the Holy Year of mercy can be received "validly and licitly."
The General House, founded by Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre SSPX, published a corresponding communiqué. Meanwhile, contacts between the General Council of the Society and the competent authorities of the Holy See continue in looking for a solution that allows for full communion and the canonical recognition of the Society.

Communiqué of the General House of the SSPX to the Pope's Letter

The communiqué of the General House of the Society of St. Pius X to the Pope's letter Francis on the occasion of the approaching Holy Year in full text:
"The Society of St. Pius X has heard through the press, the dispositions of Pope Francis on the occasion of the coming Holy Year.
"In the last section of his letter, which he addressed to  Archbishop Rino Fisichella, President of the Pontifical Council for Promoting the New Evangelization, the Holy Father writes: '[I] determine [...] In the meantime, in its own disposal, that those who during the Holy Year of Mercy receive the sacrament of reconciliation with the priests of the Fraternity of St. Pius X,  will receive valid and licit absolution of their sins achieve.'
"The Fraternity expresses its gratitude to the Supreme Pontiff for his fatherly gesture.  In the administration of the sacrament of penance we have always relied and with complete certainty, in the extraordinary jurisdiction, as asserted by the Normae generales of the Canon Law. On the occasion of this Jubilee Year, Pope Francis wants that all the faithful who wish to confess to the priests of the Fraternity of St. Pius X, can do so without any concern.
This year, the priests of the Fraternity of St. Pius X will return in their hearts, with renewed generosity to their posts as confessors.  The example of the tireless efforts of  St. Vianney has been given to all priests to follow.
Menzingen, the September 1, 2015
Text: Giuseppe Nardi
Image: Vatican Insider
Trans: Tancred vekron99@hotmail.com
AMDG






37 comments:

  1. i hope theyre just being overly polite, not walking into the obvious trap

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    1. Sybok, If you look closely at the response of Bishop Fellay, you will see that in his kind response he makes it super clear that the SSPX has always heard Confessions Licitly and Validly. Bishop Fellay seems to follow Christ's command, "Be sly as a fox, cunning as a serpent". Be rest assured that Bishop Fellay after many years of dealing with Modernists, he knows all the right moves for the greater Glory and Honor of Almighty God.

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  2. Poor, naïve Bishop Fellay. He simply doesn't understand that he's being duped by the big, bad Pope. If only Bishop Fellay would read comment boxes. He would then learn as to how to "negotiate" with the big, bad Pope.

    The problem is that unlike we who post to comment boxes, Bishop Fellay is new to dealing with the big, bad Pope, and big, bad Rome.

    Bishop Fellay has never spent one second dealing with Rome. He doesn't know his way around the Vatican.

    Fortunately, we are here to alert Bishop Fellay to the trap that the tricky, big, bad Pope has planned for Bishop Fellay and the SSPX. We are the experts, Bishop Fellay.

    Oh, sure...as soon as Cardinal Bergoglio had been elected Pope, we rushed to Traditional Catholic blogs where we guaranteed that the big, bad Pope Francis would ban the TLM.

    We guaranteed that the big, bad Pope Francis would excommunicate the SSPX, and outlaw the FSSP, ICK...attack Bishop Rifan. We guaranteed that the TLM would go underground during Pope Francis' Pontificate.

    Okay, so we've been wrong every step of the way about big, bad Pope Francis and the supposed trap that he had planned for Traditional Catholics.

    Okay, so we've been embarrassingly wrong about our guarantee that the big, bad Pope would ban the TLM.

    Okay, so we still embarrass ourselves by warning the naïve, inexperienced, rookie Bishop Fellay that the big, bad Pope plans to trick, then trap the SSPX.

    Oh, well. We reaming the experts and Bishop Fellay remains naïve and inexperienced when it comes to the big, bad Pope, and big, bad Rome.

    It's a trick! It's a trick! It's a trap! It's a trap!

    Headline, March 2013...Traditionalists Guarantee That New Pope Will Ban TLM Immediately! SSPX To Be Excommunicated. FSSP To Be Dissolved.

    Guaranteed!

    Ed Timmons

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    1. Jeeeeeeeeze Ed...pull your head out of the dark place already and join us here on planet earth, in a little place we like to call 'reality'.

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    2. A very helpful corrective perspective on things, Ed.

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    3. gaybriel's endorsement; the Lindsey Graham of Catholicism.

      ....couldn't illustrate my point any better Ed.

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    4. Ed, your post is so hilarous and true. Thanks for the big smile.

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    5. People like Ed happily tolerate the cynical likes of Gabriel and his antiquing buddies in chanceries and rectories while attacking those of us who are legitimately skeptical when Gabriel and his friends pretend to be gracious.

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    6. Tancred, what I attacked is the, boring, and discredited conspiracy theories that more than a few "Traditionalists" have parroted endlessly. That is, that Pope Francis hates "Traditionalists", the TLM, and, in particular, is determined to "trap" the SSPX.

      From the first seconds of his Pontificate, many "Traditionalists" guaranteed that Pope Francis would outlaw the TLM, excommunicate the SSPX, and dissolve the FSSP, ICK, and additional TLM societies and communities.

      As late as last September, just prior to Cardinal Mueller's meeting with Bishop Fellay, various "Traditionalists" predicted that Pope Francis would hammer Bishop Fellay and the SSPX.

      Every step of the way during the current Pontificate, "Traditionalists" and their Pope-Francis-will-destroy-the-TLM-and-in-particular-the-SSPX conspiracy theories/guarantees have flopped.

      Sorry, but that is a fact.

      Ed Timmons

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    7. If I may add, in the face of the Pope-Francis-Hates-The-SSPX claim advanced by many Traditionalists, here are the facts in regard to Pope Francis/Cardinal/Archbishop Bergoglio and his dealings with the SSPX.

      Bishop Fellay stated that in Argentina, then-Cardinal/Archbishop Jorge Bergoglio declared to the SSPX that "you are Catholic, that is evident."

      Father Christian Bouchacourt, SSPX District Superior of South America, stated that Cardinal/Archbishop Bergoglio aided the SSPX each time that he, Father Bouchacourt, approached Cardinal Bergoglio for assistance in various SSPX-related matters.

      Father Bouchacourt said he was treated with "benevolence" each time that he had dealt with Cardinal Bergoglio.

      Bishop Fellay stated that in Argentina, then-Cardinal Bergoglio informed the SSPX that he would help to solidify the SSPX's "Catholic" status with the Argentinian government.

      As we know, earlier this year, Cardinal Poli, Archbishop of Buenos Aires, declared that the SSPX belongs to the Catholic Church.

      Last September, Cardinal Mueller and Bishop Fellay conducted a "cordial" meeting in Rome. As a result of that meeting, Bishop Anthanasius Schneider has conducted meetings with the SSPX as Pope Francis' Apostolic Visitor.

      Bishop Schneider has since praised the SSPX. Pope Francis the other day recognized the good reports on the SSPX that he has received from his "Brother Bishops".

      In turn, Pope Francis declared that Catholics may approach SSPX priests during the Holy Year to request the Sacrament of Penance.

      Now, if certain Traditionalists are determined to promote preposterous conspiracy theories against Pope Francis, namely, that he hates the SSPX and is determined to destroy the SSPX, then so be it.

      But the undeniable facts prove otherwise.

      Ed Timmons

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    8. More insightful comments Ed. They continue to provide much needed equilibrium in this 'conversation.'

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    9. I'd be interested to know what "conspiracy" theories Ed is talking about, because there are numerous examples where Pope Francis has more than amply demonstrated his contempt for tradition.

      The late Bishop Livieres, for example?

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  3. So can the Fran Friars of the Immaculate say the TLM during PF's "year of mercy" (killing) spree ... maybe ALL priests will be allowed to say the TLM during PF's 'year of mercy' (killing) spree. Nah, just the sodomites get to be boy scout leaders and pedophile their way to communion (along w/the fornicators, adulterers, abortionists, blasphemers, mercy killers). Belly up to the bar traditionalists -- get your crumb but make sure you take a good look at whose image is on it before you eat it.

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  4. Why the hell are they grateful? They've been hearing confessions for years and will continue to do so after the faux mercy year ends.

    Seattle kim

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  5. I'm anxious, Ed Timmons, to see all of your triumphalism after the coming October. I'd like to know how long will be your text.

    Fellay doesn't care about being a Catholic. He wants to be a Catholic bishop. There's a subtle difference. I hope the smartest will understand.

    I can't do nothing but laugh. It's hard to be a traditionalist Catholic nowadays, without being unwillingly funny to people like me. Why are you celebrating a gesture from a man of whom many of you were declaring him a formal heretic weeks ago? Can't you see a little incoherence here? So, traditionalists bark a lot, they show their teeth, but Francis hisses and they simply wag the tail? If it was for something worthy, but his gesture is clearly injurious to the SSPX and all its past ministry. Except, of course, for Fellay who is almost grasping his obsession to be a prelate.

    Rodrigo

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  6. My suggestion to the SSPX regarding Pope Francis and the Vatican and this recent decision during the so called :"Year of Mercy" is th be polite to them, be gracious and thankful. But be watchful and legitimately suspicious of the Pope and Vatican, always having before your eyes the example of what was done to the FFI.
    Damian Malliapalli

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  7. Many Churchmen and laymen simply do not trust the SSPX. They believe that the SSPX wishes to trap the Pope.

    As Bishop Schneider noted, despite his overall positive assessment of the Society, there are problems within the SSPX that the Society must address. Rome must ensure that Bishop Fellay can purge sick elements from the Society that mar the SSPX's overall beauty.

    Many Churchmen will demand that the SSPX present ways that will enable them to verify as to whether the Society may be trusted with canonical regularization.

    The "it's a trap" notion is a two-way street. Their are "Traditionalists" who believe that Rome is determined to trap the SSPX.

    Conversely, there are plenty of Churchmen and liberal/conservative laymen who are convinced that the SSPX and "Traditionalists" are determined to trap Rome.

    That is, people who distrust Traditionalists and the SSPX believe that should Pope Francis grant to the Society canonical recognition, then the sick elements within the SSPX will spew their nonsense from their newfound legitimate (canonical recognition) position.

    Liberals and conservatives distrust the SSPX deeply.

    Ed Timmons

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    1. So basically, despite ecclesiastical approval of the Society and its mission, you have no idea why the Society is problematic, you just know their must be problems because the presentiment of integral Catholicism chaffes and burns.

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    2. The society is more than just 'problematic' Tancred. It has not received the full teaching of the Second Vatican Ecumenical Council which all the Popes since have affirmed contains and validates the teaching of all preceding Councils.
      The Society is an institutional doctrinal cherry picker.

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    3. I don't know any bishops or clergy who really take Vatican II seriously. Doctrinal variations accommodating meat and potatoes "conservatives" who adore the Republican Party and Saint Gay's Social Justice types like yourself, sit side by side, as if they weren't in the least contradictory, sometimes variations of the two non-starters exist in the same parish, or even the same person.

      If those two pathetic, co-dependent alternatives were all there was to Catholicism, I'd stay him on Sundays and take up woodworking.

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    4. So you don't know of any bishops or clergy who take Vat II seriously. You clearly inhabit a very limited gated cosmos. There are about six thousand bishops and hundreds of thousands of priests who have taken Vatican II very seriously indeed because it represents the Supreme Magisterium of the Catholic Church and stands in the heart of the Catholic Tradition.
      Obviously, Tancred, you believe that you and your like-minded are the only ones in step. Congratulations.

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    5. How many parishes have Gregorian Chant and Latin in their Litirgies?

      There are a handful of diocese and perhaps one or two parishes in each diocese that might tip their hat to it in the Novus Ordo, but what was clearly supposed to be the norm was never really implemented, and bishops who are zealous on this point, see Finn, Livieres, Rey, Tebartz-van Elst are either forced into retirement or are on their way there.

      There is a diocese in Ghana where all the priests have to learn the Immemorial Mass of All Ages, but the evil Kasperians regard Africa as beneath contempt.

      This man's experience of seminary, complete with the tale of a nelly Liturgist are, unfortunately, the Norm for most young men in the seminary. Is it any wonder the SSPX's seminaries are growing to overflowing when most of the world's seminaries are dominated by men who apparently haven't bothered to read the document they use to justify their evil deeds?
      How many parishes have Gregorian Chant and Latin in their Litirgies?

      There are a handful of diocese and perhaps one or two parishes in each diocese that might tip their hat to it in the Novus Ordo, but what was clearly supposed to be the norm was never really implemented, and bishops who are zealous on this point, see Finn, Livieres, Rey, Tebartz-van Elst are either forced into retirement or are on their way there.

      There is a diocese in Ghana where all the priests have to learn the Immemorial Mass of All Ages, but the evil Kasperians regard Africa as beneath contempt.

      This man's experience of seminary, complete with the tale of a nelly Liturgist are, unfortunately, the Norm for most young men in the seminary. Is it any wonder the SSPX's seminaries are growing to overflowing when most of the world's seminaries are dominated by men who apparently haven't bothered to read the document they use to justify their evil deeds?


      http://www.onepeterfive.com/why-are-seminaries-afraid-of-the-extraordinary-form/

      But good pew sitters like Ed are mostly, probably sinfully, ignorant of this state of affairs.

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    6. Tancred, the twenty eight hundred bishops who were the Council Fathers at Vat II, who were the authors of its documents were the ones who also accommodated positions, views, theologies which contradict one another in many ways. You can support practically any point of view on the Catholic spectrum from these documents and you know it.

      When these bishops, who had know only the theologies they had learned from back into fifty-sixty years before, who had known only the Latin Mass, left the Council with the conviction that what they knew to be their own minds and intentions had to be put into place in their own dioceses. Among the things which they knew had reached the end of their usefulness were the Latin Mass - it would have disappeared back around 1800 except for the Roman reaction against the French Revolution - and the old ecclesiology that went with it.

      Your great hopes in Ghana are in a seminary system with a huge revolving door on the other side and even many who do emerge as ordained priests will become corrupted little clerical kings when they are exposed to a bit of affluence and have to support the concubines.

      You are setting yourself up for massive disappointment and grief by nailing the flag of your own faith expectations to things which have had their day.

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    7. That's a strange admission coming from you. A piece of legislation is only as good as the people who wrote it and whether or not it's understood. Ambiguous legislations doesn't inspire respect in anyone, but I very seriously doubt the good will of most of the bishops currently reigning to do justice by ambiguities.

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    8. If you have taken the trouble to look at the documents of the Council of Trent you'll find much of the same accommodation to different, often opposite opinions. The same goes with the vast majority of papal Encyclicals. It's a healthy thing as it allows then for eventual equilibrium to emerge instead of a one dimensional ideology.
      What you and many of your regular contributors here are missing is that Francis has no intention of changing Church doctrine. What he is looking for is a consensus of many different views on issues many of which are canonically intractable. Christ did not enact Canon Law, the Church has.
      He's challenging everyone, all the Synod participants included, to find more Christ-like ways of dealing with people who are in these sorts of situations. Francis is trusting the Synod to make its decisions after prayer and discernment not according to predetermined policy platforms worked out by sectional interests of any colour.

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    9. Gabriel,

      Francis has no intention of changing Church doctrine.

      Whatever Francis's intentions might be, clearly many of the key men around him, to say nothing of the majorities of key European episcopal conferences, very much want to change doctrine. Starting with striking the words "intrinsically disordered" from the Catechism and all other Church documents.

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    10. And those 'key men around him' are hand picked, appointed, and promoted by francis for the very purpose of furthering his agenda.

      But then, gaybriel well knows that because he's the worst sort of snake....the Catholic version of a Judenrat.

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    11. Once again, G, makes an assertion without proof, not least of which is the assertion that Trent advances contradictory assertions, but worse, that errors matched against truth can create a desired equilibrium.

      I don't have the time to moderate or instruct such an evil correspondent.

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  8. One funny thing about this is that if a new Mass attending Catholic goes to an SSPX priest for confession, he will have to confess attending the Novus Ordo Mass and adhering to the heresies of Vatican2.

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    1. The Society never speaks of the heresies of V2 and recognizes the validity of the NO.

      Jokes are funnier if they're at least true.

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  9. It could well be that we're are faced with a pontiff whose views on these matters are not only more complex, but also rather incoherent.

    It's really hard to deny that traditional Latin Rite liturgy - renewed interest in which he once dismissed as a "fad" - is firmly outside his sympathies. He *does* seem to have some appreciation of Eastern Rite liturgies, which may be something of a clue to how his ecumenical enthusiasms shape everything in his thought.

    I think people like Ed overlook too easily the crackdown we have seen on organizations that too eagerly embrace tradition in their formation: the Diocese of Albenga-Imperia, Bishop Livieres, and yes, the FFI. How much of this is Bergoglio's animus and how much is that of certain (very modernist) men in his inner circles is hard to say; it is helpful to remember that any pontificate, like the Curia itself, is a collection of individuals and factions whose agendas do not always neatly align. (I suspect there is some personal Bergoglio animus where Livieres was concerned.)

    What troubles me in turn about the Society is something on display in this very combox: an attitude on the part of some connected with it that holds that there really is nothing Catholic any longer outside the Society, not even other traditionalist groups - Campos, Le Barroux, the FFSP, the ICK, the IBP - they are all fatally compromised with Conciliarism. Only the Society has the true Catholic faith. I do not think that this is how Bishop Fellay or most of his district superiors think, but you can certainly encounter that attitude online. Including this combox today.

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  10. Andrea Tornielli needs to see the nonsense theology being forced upon the Franciscans of the Immaculate and the SSPX
    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/09/andrea-tornielli-needs-to-see-nonsense.html

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    1. And you need to know that you, shock, horror, are not God, Lionel.

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