Tuesday, August 4, 2015

When a Bishop Cites Uncomfortable Passages from the Old Testament

Bishop Huonder has published his presentation at the "Joy of Faith" Congress - presentation of the bishop as a video on kathTube

Fulda (kath.net)  The Bishop of Chur Vitus Huonder has published an opinion on the distorted media reports on Monday that arose during his lecture at the congress "Joy of Faith" last Friday: Kath.net documented the opinion of the Bishop of Chur from today: I am sorry if my 50  minute lecture in Fulda on 2 August 2015 which deals with the biblical basis for marriage and family, was occasionally understood as a reduction of homosexual people in the media. It was not meant for that. I quoted in the  the lecture several uncomfortable passages from the Old Testament that affect generally the marriage, sexuality or family.

I want to clarify that I have no desire to in any way diminish homosexual people with the presentation, whose main theme is the marriage from a Christian perspective,  and that I, when it comes to homosexuality, quote what is in the Catechism of the Catholic Church also in the annotations Lecture:  

2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity, [Cf.Gen 19, 1-29; Rom 1.24 to 27; 1 Cor 6,10; 1 Tim 1,10.]141  That the Church tradition has always declared that "the homosexual acts are wrong in themselves" (CDF, ​​explanation. "Persona humana" 8). They violate the natural law, because the transmission of life is excluded the sexual. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity.  They should not approved in any case.

 2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God's will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord's Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.

2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.

These words from the Catechism are the basis of the pastoral charity also towards people sensitive to homosexuality  who I have emphasized in the lecture in Fulda and in the unity of faith, apply to all of our Church pastors.

 Presentation of the Bishop of Fulda in video

Link to kath.net...
Trans: Tancred vekron99@hotmail.com


  1. There is no such thing as "homosexual people", objectively. And of course, everyone ought to be seeking a "reduction" in grave sin, which identifying oneself with sodomy, is.

  2. Pope Francis just came out during his Genersl audience and said people who divorce and remarry are not excommunicated! So basically adultery is just fine with him? I'm sick!

    1. His 10 Commandments are not those given us by God.

  3. There is no sin to francis...well, except for being a "pickle-faced" Rosary counter.

    This is one of the best articles I've read this year....

    Kasper's quote is straight out of satan's mouth, and that's not hyperbole. Read his words...they are literally satan's. And this is the theology the BofR sees as "sublime".

    abomination of desolation.

  4. There's no sin to francis, but it's a sin that he's a pope, beg pardon, Bishop of Rome......autopsy of wasted church.

  5. Dear Susan,
    not quite. But there is the famous VII double take, on the one hand, no, no they are not excommunicated, but on the other the Holy Father quotes familiaris consortio. So every god fearing modernist will grab the first and ignore the rest.

  6. Bruno W. I know it's not like an "excommunication" that is needed to be lifted by the Pope or a bishop. I am going to share with you something personal. My mother divorced my father when I was a small child in order to marry her adulterous lover. She had a child with this man. My father did everything to save his marriage even as far as raising my half brother as his own son but my mother kept having the adulterous affair. My father still to this day 43 years has remained faithful to his Sacrament of Matrimony vows. We have both forgiven my mother and would not want nothing more than her to repent Confession and convert back to the Church. However if she were to have walked backed into church with her new husband and family and been "accepted" it would of so scandalized and be devasting to my father and I. Thank God my mother never did that. I think at least society back then was a bit more respectable than now! What pope Francis said today just opened up that sick possibility for something like that to happen to children and spouses that were abandoned. I weep for them! I have not spoken with my father yet on what was said today, but I'm sure he must know by now. I totally feel kicked and punched in the stomach and it so hard to get up!

  7. Susanne, It is a terrible scandal that the Pope continually says things that oppose the Faith, the moral law, natural justice. Do not pay attention to pastors who try to lead people into sin and damnation. Your mother committed a grave wrong against God, your father, you and the Catholic community. May she repent and be reconciled. It sounds as if your father bore this great wrong with great virtue. The wounds from such betrayal are deep and longlasting. God bless you.

  8. Bruno W. I was reading there was a papal approved law only for the United States that said if you sought out a civil divorce and civilly remarry you were excommunicated. This was forced from 1884-1977. The U. S. Bishops at that time didn't like seeing that there were many civil divorces so they asked for this law to be approved by the Pope. So my mother was officially excommunicated for civilly divorcing my father and remarrying another man, according to that law, she sought the divorce in 1972. The Bishops at this time were true shepherds giving tough love and protecting marriages and children. Ultimately we have free will and some people obviously thumb their noses at God and His Church and as a result destroyed and really damage not only themselves but innocent victims. Now these days it is a free for all of the narcissistic mentality people running rampant in the world and sadly in the Church. It seems to only be accelerating as if these "progressives" "merciful" promoters in the Government and inside the Church are running out of time to complete something? I find it very troublesome. Something very sinister and diabolical is going on! Is this just my imagination?

  9. It is worse than a waste of time to cite the crummy catechism's entries on sodomy for those entires are the result of a compromise with sodomy.

    Stick with Saint Peter Damien a Dr of the Church.

    1. I agree. All of this perseveration for the sake of garnering good will from people who have none, will not win this bishop any points. He will remain the most hated bishop in the Swiss Bishops Conference, at least by the Chirch's enemies.