Tuesday, June 30, 2015

Pope Wants Common Celebration of the Eucharist With the Orthodox

Meeting in Rome for the Feast of Saints Peter and Paul with Constantinople Delegation - Thanks to Metropolitan Zizioulas, because he had come together with other church representatives for the presentation of the Eco-Encyclical "Laudato si"

Vatican City (kath.net/KAP) Pope Francis has recently has emphasized that a common celebration of the Eucharist is a common goal of ecumenical dialogue at a meeting with an official delegation of the Ecumenical Patriarchate, headed by the retired Titular Metropoliten of Pergamon, Ioannis Zizioulas. This goal is one of his main concerns, Francis stressed at the meeting with the delegation from Constantinople that - as it happens on every year for the last 47 years, come to the feast of Saints Peter and Paul on 29 June, the Patron Saint of the Church of Rome, to the Tiber.

Pope Francis said that the meetings with the Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew I at the Andreas Festival last November has provided the opportunity to "work together to praise God and to pray that soon the day will come when the full visible unity between Orthodox and Catholics will be restored." He expressly thanked Metropolitan Zizioulas that he had come to Rome on behalf of Patriarch Bartholomew to be present together with other Church representatives at the public presentation of the encyclical "Laudato si". It was the first time that a papal encyclical was also presented by an orthodox bishop.

The opportunities to meet, exchange and experience cooperation between Catholics and Orthodox should multiply, such is the view expressed in the Pope's expectations. Through mutual understanding and respect many prejudices and misunderstandings could be overcome. At the same time the remaining difficulties should, "in truth, but in a spirit of fraternity", be overcome.

In this context, Francis praised the "valuable work of the International Mixed Commission for Theological Dialogue between the Catholic and Orthodox Church." The "Drafting Committee" of this Commission had met on Thursday in Rome. The problems that come up on the train of theological dialogue, should not lead to discouragement and resignation, the Pope said. He specifically stressed that a "careful study" on the principle of synodality and on the "service of the principals in love" will deliver a "significant contribution to the advancement of relations" between the two Churches.

The Pope prays for Pan-Orthodox Synod

Pope Francis promised his intense prayer and of all Catholics for the success of the scheduled 2016 Pan-Orthodox Synod in Constantinople. At the same time the Pope asked his Orthodox guests for prayers for the upcoming October Plenary Assembly of the Catholic Synod of Bishops, which will be devoted to family.

Metropolitan Zizioulas gave the pope when a message of the Ecumenical Patriarch, in which Bartholomew I stressed the significance of theological dialogue and the work of the International Mixed Commission for Theological Dialogue. Three Catholic and Orthodox members consisting of a "Drafting Committee" of the International Commission for Theological Dialogue, are editing a document on Thursday in Rome foreseen to be completed for September, "Towards the Understanding of Synodality and Primacy in the Church of the First Millenium." Orthodox representatives had expressed reservations about the draft in Amman. The "Drafting Committee" now had the task of taking into account the objections of the Orthodox side. The revised draft is to be submitted in September the "Coordinating Committee" of the International Commission for Theological Dialogue, which then decides on further procedure. Among the participants of the meeting of the "Drafting Commitee" in the preceding week alongside Zizioulas, was also the head of the Foreign Ministry of Moscow Patriarchate, Metropolitan Hilarion Alfeyev. He met the same day with the Italian President Sergio Mattarella, which involved a longer conversation. The meeting was also attended by the Russian ambassador in Rome, Sergei Razov, in part.

Metropolitan Hilarion stressed that he was representing the Russian Orthodox Church toward making "good and constructive" relations with Italy, a "country with deep Christian roots", a priority. President Mattarella paid tribute to the Moscow Patriarchate in the ecumenical and inter-religious dialogue. He was convinced that the Orthodox Church could also make a significant contribution for a "peaceful solution to the conflict in Ukraine." Copyright 2015 Catholic press agency Kathpress, Vienna, Austria

You can compare this report to the one at the Vatican website. Did they even experience the same event?

Link to Kath.net...
Trans: Tancred vekron99@hotmail.com
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  1. Dialogue Dialogue waffle waffle waffle???????

  2. The "Orthodox" are heretics with respect to marriage and because marriage signifies the union of Christ with His Church then this heresy also effects their ecclesiology which is also heretical.

    Why would anybody who is sane want to be in communion with heretics, unless they first repent of their sin?

    1. Someone who is too busy doing the works of the Devil like Jorge "Martin Luther" Bergoglio.

    2. St. Thomas Aquinas wrote (Summa Theologica III q. 82 a. 9 c.):

      heretical, schismatical, excommunicate, or even sinful priests, although they have the power to consecrate the Eucharist, yet they do not make a proper use of it; on the contrary, they sin by using it. But whoever communicates with another who is in sin, becomes a sharer in his sin. … Consequently, it is not lawful to receive Communion from them, or to assist at their mass.

    3. Thank you, St. Donatus Magnus.

      It basically says that the grace of the Sacraments depends on the moral character of the minister. That which is in sin is devoid of grace, and so if the minister of the Sacraments is in a state of sin, then he is devoid of grace, and those who commune with them shares in this lack of grace.

  3. Well, there are lots of kinds of Orthodox and they do not seem to get along together all that well. But, hey, look on the bright side: they allow divorce and remarriage so those that want to go for that sort of thing could slide over there....and leave the Roman Catholic Church alone in the pure theology.

    1. Good post, M.

      Isn't that divorce and remarriage the end game? Sure seems like it.

  4. So is this what the whole ungodly push for Holy Communion for divorced-remarrieds...to get us more 'in line' with the Orthodox and their error on marriage? Kinda like building a new Mass to get us more in line with protestant worship, eh?...yeah, that worked out real well.

  5. Have you read about how Francis wants to change the dating of Easter to placate the Orthodox?

    1. "Francis announced on June 12th in St. John Lateran’s Basilica to the International Catholic Charismatic Renewal Services III World Retreat of Priests—whew, what a title!—that an agreement had been reached in fixing a common date of Easter with the Eastern Orthodox...A fixed date of Easter would most likely be seriously problematic for the liturgical calendar of the 1962 Missale Romanum and Breviarium Romanum. As seen above, any necessary changes to the current calendar mechanics would not be minor ones. And who is competent to make these changes to the traditional Roman Mass per its authentic liturgical spirit (as opposed to that of the modernist Novus Ordo Missae)—the Congregation of the Divine Worship and Liturgy, the Ecclesia Dei Commission? One must wonder if they would insist on adding to the calendar of saints persons whose canonizations have been seriously called into doubt. http://www.remnantnewspaper.com/web/index.php/articles/item/1834-will-the-pope-fix-the-date-why-easter-is-not-ecumenical

      I think Liam's quote below is apposite.

  6. When I read of this, sad to say, this came to mind:

    "He shall speak words against the Most High, and shall wear out the saints of the Most High, and shall think to change the times and the law; and they shall be given into his hand for a time, times, and half a time." Daniel 7:25

    1. time, times, and half a time = 3 1/2 years,
      that would take us to september 2016
      (also the 170th anniversary of la salette),
      upon whence "rome will become the seat of the antichrist"

    2. Daniel 7:25 parallels Revelation 13:5 regarding the reign
      of the false prophet for 2 1/2 years:
      "and there was given to him a mouth speaking great things, and blasphemies: and power was given to him to do two and forty months"

  7. here is a nice sum of the issue:
    "The canon of Nicea forbids determining the date of Pascha based on Jewish calculations.
    I think we should all of us just do what Nicea says to do: Pascha is the first Sunday after the first full moon after the vernal equinox. But (and here is where Catholics get it right and Orthodox don't), it should be the *real* full moon and the *real* vernal equinox we're discussing – we should use calculations aimed at getting those actual events right."

    so since the julian calendar is mathematically inaccurate and has celestial events 6 or 7 days or whatever off from their actual occurrence. there is zero reason to become julian

    1. just want to clarify that the julian calendar when it originally was made it work, the equinox on the calendar occured same date as the actual equinox. however it was not mathematically perfect so the imperfections caused the date on the calendar to slip away from the actual *real* date (position of earth's orbit to sun), so thats why they made the gregorian calendar- to correct the astronomical imperfections in the julian so the calendar equinox would actually occur on the real astronomical equinox (along with all other celestial events). protestants and eastern orthodox rejected this science simply because it came from the catholic world. it wasn'y until 18th century the british adopted it (many american revolutionaries have two birthdays, gregorian and julian), russia until the revolution.

    2. The equinox is fixed for ecclesiastical purposes on March 21, and the full moon does not correspond exactly to the astronomical full moon. For Easter in 2038, the astronomical rule does not hold:

      Vernal Equinox: Saturday, March 20
      First Full Moon After Equinox: Saturday, March 20
      Easter: Sunday, April 25

      (source; cf. Catholic Encyclopedia's "Easter Controversy")