tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post8200368551392110639..comments2024-03-28T02:22:35.857-07:00Comments on The Eponymous Flower: Catholic Patriarch of Babylon Offers Resignation -- Reunion of the "Church of the East" Under RomeTancredhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16015531337154301560noreply@blogger.comBlogger42125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-23735419974487878752015-07-01T20:27:23.864-07:002015-07-01T20:27:23.864-07:00Unfortunately, because of leftists and other ill-w...Unfortunately, because of leftists and other ill-willed individuals there are misunderstandings and friendly fire. For that I'm truly sorry. especially if I've missed the import of what you're saying.Tancredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16015531337154301560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-82191659094216551362015-07-01T20:24:32.806-07:002015-07-01T20:24:32.806-07:00Yeah, okay, our Lord was probably just exaggeratin...Yeah, okay, our Lord was probably just exaggerating then when he told us calling someone fool you were in danger of hell.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-27781445763529327832015-06-28T21:42:17.886-07:002015-06-28T21:42:17.886-07:00Our Lord to St Peter: "But I have prayed for ...Our Lord to St Peter: "But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and thou, being once converted, confirm thy brethren."<br /><br />Holy Apostles, Saint Peter and Saint Paul, pray for us.Our Lady of Good Success-pray for us.https://www.blogger.com/profile/14746510579669229511noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-75860106963123994462015-06-28T21:38:44.899-07:002015-06-28T21:38:44.899-07:00@Susan. Yeah. And Bergoglio reckoned 'radtrads...@Susan. Yeah. And Bergoglio reckoned 'radtrads' are attached to the 'fashion' of an 'old' liturgy. While I don't encourage potty-mouth responses within a debate about Holy Truths, it makes the fact of people's geographical committment to a geographical concept of faith and worship very evident. Our Lady of Good Success-pray for us.https://www.blogger.com/profile/14746510579669229511noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-86541728579910999872015-06-28T20:12:59.046-07:002015-06-28T20:12:59.046-07:00Fair enough. The name was a joke from a while bac...Fair enough. The name was a joke from a while back anyway. It honestly stopped being funny.Ecclesial Vigilantehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17070187926547373245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-26721269140153956732015-06-28T20:10:59.801-07:002015-06-28T20:10:59.801-07:00The fellow went a bit overboard, but there were so...The fellow went a bit overboard, but there were some saints that used swearing to great effect. Take Thomas More's letter to Luther (keep in mind, this is quite mild compared to things the German heretic wrote):<br />"Come, do not rage so violently, good father; but if you have raved wildly enough, listen now, you pimp. You recall that you falsely complained above that the king has shown no passage in your whole book, even as an example, in which he said that you contradict yourself. You told this lie shortly before, although the king has demonstrated to you many examples of your inconsistency ….<br />But meanwhile, for as long as your reverend paternity will be determined to tell these shameless lies, others will be permitted, on behalf of his English majesty, to throw back into your paternity’s shitty mouth, truly the shit-pool of all shit, all the muck and shit which your damnable rottenness has vomited up, and to empty out all the sewers and privies onto your crown divested of the dignity of the priestly crown, against which no less than against the kingly crown you have determined to play the buffoon.<br />In your sense of fairness, honest reader, you will forgive me that the utterly filthy words of this scoundrel have forced me to answer such things, for which I should have begged your leave. Now I consider truer than truth that saying: ‘He who touches pitch will be wholly defiled by it’ (Sirach 13:1). For I am ashamed even of this necessity, that while I clean out the fellow’s shit-filled mouth I see my own fingers covered with shit."Ecclesial Vigilantehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17070187926547373245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-78897215515633470532015-06-28T20:06:35.897-07:002015-06-28T20:06:35.897-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Ecclesial Vigilantehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17070187926547373245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-38567619008211998662015-06-28T20:06:02.011-07:002015-06-28T20:06:02.011-07:00I've had a hard time believing what you've...I've had a hard time believing what you've written in the past was well-intended or worthwhile, so after a while, I just scrape all the comments from certain into the same ash can.Tancredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16015531337154301560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-38293160226803462392015-06-28T19:56:07.996-07:002015-06-28T19:56:07.996-07:00Apologies. Are you English? You see, I'm Ame...Apologies. Are you English? You see, I'm American and to us it is nothing more than a funny sounding word. Not any ore offensive than "crap", really.<br /><br />I had the same reprimand on Fr. Hunwicke's blog and can't post there under this avatar anymore. <br /><br />Cheers! :)Ecclesial Vigilantehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17070187926547373245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-45948849295907201962015-06-28T19:53:36.772-07:002015-06-28T19:53:36.772-07:00Bollocks.Bollocks.Tancredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16015531337154301560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-84824645996629968952015-06-28T19:49:45.247-07:002015-06-28T19:49:45.247-07:00Dear Administrator,
If you found my comment off...Dear Administrator, <br /><br />If you found my comment offensive, please message me as to what you did not approve. It is not my intention to disrespect your blog and I wish to post within whatever rules you have in place. My comment was not intended to troll, flame, or incite wrath.<br /><br />Respectfully,<br />LOBEcclesial Vigilantehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17070187926547373245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-467119466903813912015-06-28T19:35:24.780-07:002015-06-28T19:35:24.780-07:00No, nobody ever got to heaven calling someone a &q...No, nobody ever got to heaven calling someone a "f'ing idiot". Look at today's Gospel reading below, they only thing someone gets who says that is a free ride to the lake of fire.<br /><br />I will agree that Rome, the current regime in Rome should not mess with any church, the less this corrupt bunch messes with the better.. Many private prophecies speak of a future holy pontiff and a grand council, a real council which will resolve everything and the world will worship God in a single Catholic way.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-38823979560365954882015-06-28T19:27:16.509-07:002015-06-28T19:27:16.509-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Ecclesial Vigilantehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17070187926547373245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-46039687774691387982015-06-28T19:22:37.577-07:002015-06-28T19:22:37.577-07:00The Malabar fellow has some anger, but then again ...The Malabar fellow has some anger, but then again plenty of saints had bouts of swearing. Leave the Eastern churches alone.The Rad Tradhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00899289024837953345noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-9100440367403352392015-06-28T18:07:25.077-07:002015-06-28T18:07:25.077-07:00He resigned.He resigned.Tancredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16015531337154301560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-76118315020905834912015-06-28T17:22:14.271-07:002015-06-28T17:22:14.271-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Simonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-89495856381672232812015-06-28T13:39:30.663-07:002015-06-28T13:39:30.663-07:00Pray for him Susan, that's all you can do and ...Pray for him Susan, that's all you can do and let it be in God's hands. In today's gospel reading our Lord clearly states that this person cursing his brother is right off to the lake of fire. What will he do next? Blaspheme our Lord for telling him?<br /><br />"GOSPEL Matt. 5:20-24<br />At that time, Jesus said to His disciples: "Unless your justice abound more than that of the scribes and Pharisees, you shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven. You have heard that it was said to them of old: 'Thou shalt not kill.' And whosoever shall kill, shall be in danger of the judgment. But I say to you, that whosoever is angry with his brother, shall be in danger of the judgment. And whosoever shall say to his brother, 'Raca,' shall be in danger of the council. And whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fir..."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-28162727271683922242015-06-28T13:31:51.040-07:002015-06-28T13:31:51.040-07:00Do you even consider yourself a christian? Do you ...Do you even consider yourself a christian? Do you realize the absurdity of your text here?Which christian truly following the first commandment speaks like this?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-17739468132519782232015-06-28T13:28:13.375-07:002015-06-28T13:28:13.375-07:00One thing I notice nearly every time a debate onli...One thing I notice nearly every time a debate online between eastern schismatics/heretics and Roman Catholics is that the schismatic/heretics almost immediately go into cussing and the f word like some demon out of hell. <br /> Are these the fruits of your schismatic church? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-82973347473282112822015-06-27T21:06:17.543-07:002015-06-27T21:06:17.543-07:00Sirach 22: 15.Sirach 22: 15.Ajaxnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-79758808270984250602015-06-27T19:27:33.721-07:002015-06-27T19:27:33.721-07:00never threw the f bomb around, jerk.never threw the f bomb around, jerk.susannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-69784084294818800742015-06-27T16:29:39.243-07:002015-06-27T16:29:39.243-07:00Scrub your own mouth out first.Scrub your own mouth out first.Ajaxnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-4632925291614000132015-06-27T16:28:27.814-07:002015-06-27T16:28:27.814-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Cyrilnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-45644460358286078072015-06-27T13:27:24.333-07:002015-06-27T13:27:24.333-07:00Having addressed these three errors, we still must...Having addressed these three errors, we still must confront the apparent contradiction posed by the epiclesis following the words of institution, which, as we have shown, possess complete consecratory efficacy. Since the sacrifice of Calvary and the sacrifice of the Divine Liturgy are one and the same sacrifice, we must note the eternal character of the redemption of man. The sacred liturgy reflects this revealed truth. The Western offertory, which implores God to receive "this spotless victim" and "the chalice of salvation," is anticipatory of the consecration that has not yet occurred. Similarly, the Eastern epiclesis, asking God to "make this Bread the precious Body of Your Christ" and "that which is in this chalice the precious Blood of Your Christ," is retrospective of the consecration. <br />Here is the entry from the Catholic Encyclopedia: "Since this prayer always follows after the words of Institution have been pronounced, the theological question arises, as to how it may be made to harmonize with the words of Christ, which alone possess the consecrated power. Two explanations have been suggested which, however, can be merged in one. The first view considers the Epiklesis to be a mere declaration of the fact, that the conversion has already taken place, and that in the conversion just as essential a part is to be attributed to the Holy Spirit as Co-Consecrator as in the allied mystery of the Incarnation. Since, however, because of the brevity of the actual instant of conversion, the part taken by the Holy Spirit could not be expressed, the Epiklesis takes us back in imagination to the precious moment and regards the Consecration as just about to occur. A similar purely psychological retrospective transfer is met with in other portions of the Liturgy, as in the Mass for the Dead, wherein the Church prays for the departed as if they were still upon their bed of agony and could still be rescued from the gates of hell. Thus considered, the Epiklesis refers us back to the Consecration as the center about which all the significance contained in its words revolves. A second explanation is based, not upon the enacted Consecration, but upon the approaching Communion, inasmuch as the latter, being the effective means of uniting us more closely in the organized body of the Church, brings forth in our hearts the mystical Christ, as is read in the Roman Canon of the Mass: "Ut nobis corpus et sanguis fiat", i.e. that it may be made for us the body and blood. It was in this purely mystical manner that the Greeks themselves explained the meaning of the Epiklesis at the Council of Florence (Mansi, Collect. Concil., XXXI, 106). Yet since much more is contained in the plain words than this true and deep mysticism, it is desirable to combine both explanations into one, and so we regard the Epiklesis, both in point of liturgy and of time, as the significant connecting link, placed midway between the Consecration and the Communion in order to emphasize the part taken by the Holy Spirit in the Consecration of bread and wine, and, on the other hand, with the help of the same Holy Spirit to obtain the realization of the true Presence of the Body and Blood of Christ by their fruitful effects on both priest and people."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-8551815039181266352015-06-27T13:23:40.034-07:002015-06-27T13:23:40.034-07:00I wish to address a few prominent errors concernin...I wish to address a few prominent errors concerning the transubstantiation of the species of bread and wine with quotations from the article "The Blessed Eucharist as a Sacrament" from the Catholic Encyclopedia. <br /><br />First, it is an error to say that the epiclesis possesses consecratory efficacy while the words of institution do not. "The objection that the mere historical recitation of the words of Institution taken from the narrative of the Last Supper possesses no intrinsic consecratory force, would be well founded, did the priest of the Latin Church merely intend by means of them to narrate some historical event rather than pronounce them with the practical purpose of effecting the conversion, or if he pronounced them in his own name and person instead of the Person of Christ, whose minister and instrumental cause he is." <br /><br />Second, it is an error to say that the words of consecration together with the epiclesis effect transubstantiation. This view may be gleaned from the writings of the fourteenth-century Saint Nicholas Cabasilas. His celebrated Commentary on the Divine Liturgy attempted to answer Latin objections to this position in vogue by the Greeks at the time. He discusses how Latins were referencing a passage of Saint John Chrysostom stating, "The priest, in the role of Christ, pronounces these words, but their power and grace are God's. This is my body, he says. This word transforms the things offered." While not denying an intrinsic efficacy to the words of institution, Cabasilas responded by comparing said efficacy to the divine blessing invoked upon humanity in Genesis to "increase and multiply and fill the earth." This injunction, contends Cabasilas, is indeed efficacious; however, it is properly actualized in the institution of matrimony. So too, he argues, is the consecration of bread and wine by the words of institution realized in the epiclesis. This position, though it "allows to the words of Institution their essential, though partial, consecratory value, appears nevertheless to be intrinsically repugnant," since "the act of Consecration cannot remain, as it were, in a state of suspense, but is completed in an instant of time..." This position, in fact, if I am not mistaken, was definitively condemned by Pope Saint Pius X. <br /><br />Third, it is an error to say that the anaphora in its entirety is the form of transubstantiation. Some schismatics articulate this notion in reaction to the preciseness of Catholic sacramental theology. Were we to affirm that transubstantiation is dependent upon every prayer from the beginning of the proskomedia to the completion of the epiclesis, we would have to acknowledge consecration as a process wherein Our Lord's presence grows and is incomplete up to the epiclesis. Such a position is akin to the heresy of impanation. We may liken the anaphora to creation insofar as creation is the context in which the Logos is uttered, for it is clear the words of consecration may not occur outside the anaphora, but we must avoid connecting the anaphora to the act of creation itself. It is not enough for us to say, "It is a mystery." Liturgy entails anamnesis (re-presentation or actualization), not amnesia. Musterion, after all, according to the ancient Greeks did not primarily refer to that which is unknowable; rather, it indicated the unraveling or unfolding of knowledge as told by the oracles. For us Catholics, this knowledge is a product of divine revelation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com