tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post7995782612120423495..comments2024-03-28T14:34:49.729-07:00Comments on The Eponymous Flower: Richard III to Be Buried at Leicester in the Rite of CramnerTancredhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16015531337154301560noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-42760160057634496342014-05-25T14:46:37.878-07:002014-05-25T14:46:37.878-07:00I said he knew it was not right - after many years...I said he knew it was not right - after many years of liturgical studies it is a personal view point that it is invalid. However, Padre Pio was not naive about the chnages going on in the Church. he said little about it but just enough to let his devotees know it was a shady business. he also had the visits of many involved in the Councils themselves. He was against the liberal chnages in the order of St Francis too. The fact he encouraged Fr Luigi Villa to carry out his mission speaks volumes.LeonGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02778834856947933957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-66548303763166788892014-05-25T14:40:59.321-07:002014-05-25T14:40:59.321-07:00Rather, pray for the souls who are lost as a resul...Rather, pray for the souls who are lost as a result of their anti-catholic vandalism.LeonGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02778834856947933957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-9469050033382086512014-05-24T18:40:22.025-07:002014-05-24T18:40:22.025-07:00The only appropriate response is to pray for the s...The only appropriate response is to pray for the souls of the bishop Bugnini, Martini, and all the opponents of Tradition... in the traditional Rite. For that is a more gracious act on the part of those who aspire to count themselves among the blessed and holy, who had been nourished by the very Mass those men spat upon.<br /><br />Pray for those who offend Our Lord Jesus Christ, for vengeance is His in the Day of Warth, and I myself tremble in fear because no matter how much outrage and disgust I may have for those men and the things they have sown, I am more afraid of the Wrath of God, and so should anyone who claim they follow tradition. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-39357117500568994252014-05-24T09:08:01.552-07:002014-05-24T09:08:01.552-07:00Anyway, there is a bishop fully capable of saying ...Anyway, there is a bishop fully capable of saying the Sarum Rite as he has said it before, but the cause never got taken up by the RC clergy. At least it wasn't taken up in earnest.<br /><br />The argument I initially employed involved invoking the way that American Indians lay claim to the remains of people who weren't even their descendants. In this case, Richard was Catholic, and despite being as evil as his reputation suggests, a darn good one who had Masses said even for people he killed.<br /><br />Richard is worth a Mass, isn't he?Tancredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16015531337154301560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-73592626453669339642014-05-24T08:55:55.565-07:002014-05-24T08:55:55.565-07:00Yes, my point was that the Sarum Rite was Cranmer&...Yes, my point was that the Sarum Rite was Cranmer's target for what we would call "Wreckovation" and what they called "Reformation", and was only rediscovered (and defended) by the Oxford Movement, which had given rise to the re-evaluation of Catholicism in then-virulently anti-Catholic Britain. (It's still anti-Catholic today, but the laws are easier now than then.) <br /><br />The Sarum Rite, or the Rite of Salisbury was the local variation of the Roman Rite in England before the Reformation. it was discarded when Cranmer invented his Liturgy, "The Book of Common Prayer" and was briefly restored by the good Queen Mary I in 1553 until her death. <br /><br />What we have now for those former Anglicans in the Catholic Church is the Book of Divine Worship, which had taken the good and discarded the bad from Cranmer, for indeed, some things from Cranmer are more reverent and worshipful of God than what you can find in the Novus Ordo. <br /><br />It says something more about the Novus Ordo, really. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-258151284092938012014-05-24T05:37:33.009-07:002014-05-24T05:37:33.009-07:00Do you know for a fact he wouldn't say it beca...Do you know for a fact he wouldn't say it because he knew it was invalid?Tancredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16015531337154301560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-32434495505818258282014-05-24T05:34:08.836-07:002014-05-24T05:34:08.836-07:00It reminds me of the absolute and aberrant insensi...It reminds me of the absolute and aberrant insensitivity of using the modernist conanisation ceremony to Canonise St Pio of Pietrelcina who did everything necessary to avoid ever saying the invalid NO service because he knew it was not right. LeonGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02778834856947933957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-57433904282427930102014-05-24T04:24:00.151-07:002014-05-24T04:24:00.151-07:00Everybody knows Cramner was a heretic, but I suppo...Everybody knows Cramner was a heretic, but I suppose there are those who don't know that, or don't even know he was the architect of a liturgy which contains many elements that would be filial to attendees of the NO.Tancredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16015531337154301560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-70386616253462863132014-05-23T21:56:05.081-07:002014-05-23T21:56:05.081-07:00The Sarum Rite is the ancient local Latin Rite in ...The Sarum Rite is the ancient local Latin Rite in the same vein as the Dominican, Mozarabic, Ambrosian, etc. <br /><br />Cranmer's rite is the one bereft of oblation and is utterly protestant. Please make a distinction. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com