tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post7108142263846611662..comments2024-03-28T02:22:35.857-07:00Comments on The Eponymous Flower: Study blames U.S. clergy sex abuse on poor training of priests, upheaval of the 1960sTancredhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16015531337154301560noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-13790435495849846752011-05-21T13:13:13.017-07:002011-05-21T13:13:13.017-07:00Abuse isn't that complex really. Most of the ...Abuse isn't that complex really. Most of the perps are also sodomites. The media likes to attribute the issue to the Catholic Church, so it's been very costly in cultural terms. Moreover, if you just followed the rules and kept sodomites out of the Seminaries and got rid of them when their disordered inclination became evident, things would be better.<br /><br />As it is, we have a society that thinks that prepubescent children should learn about what depraved individuals do. <br /><br />The Church never tailored the priesthood for sodomites. The fact that they were arrested and turned over to the secular arm for punishment when they were caught is a fairly strong indication that it wasn't.Tancredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16015531337154301560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-70978649698808669952011-05-20T21:32:52.036-07:002011-05-20T21:32:52.036-07:00The "homosexual infestation" has been in...The "homosexual infestation" has been in the Church for centuries. The Roman clergy, including the traditional clergy, was and is designed expressly for gay men. The priesthood is majority gay and probably has been for a very long time. This means that most gay priests aren't molesters. Don't like that most priests are gay? Support optional celibacy for the secular clergy. That'll even the score a bit.<br /><br />Getting rid of gay priests, even if it were possible, isn't going to solve the abuse problem on its own. Replacing the gay priests with straight priests won't necessarily eliminate abuse since straight people abuse as well. Being straight doesn't preclude mental illness or abusive behavior.<br /><br />The only solution is thorough individual psychological screening. Rejecting self-identified gay applicants and selecting self-identified straight applicants isn't screening. It's just more denial about sexuality. Any "bans" on gay seminarians will just result in more sexually confused men self-identifying as straight just to join up at seminary.<br /><br />I'm traditional, but also pragmatic. Abuse is a complex problem that can't be blamed on any one issue. However, this is where the bishops and faithful always seem to go on this issue.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-17118907567298022132011-05-19T07:01:40.340-07:002011-05-19T07:01:40.340-07:00At least the study has identified PART of the prob...At least the study has identified PART of the problem.Tancredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16015531337154301560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-57826419850250932802011-05-19T05:55:56.314-07:002011-05-19T05:55:56.314-07:00I guess Anon's been reading Jack Chick or Leon...I guess Anon's been reading Jack Chick or Leon Podles, not sure which.chiapetnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-69565574188642191732011-05-18T13:09:05.377-07:002011-05-18T13:09:05.377-07:00That the report retreats from the glaringly obviou...That the report retreats from the glaringly obvious fact that the problem is homosexuality - and the Church's tolerance of it in its priesthood - shows it to be flawed on its face. I certainly cannot disagree with the opinion of Tancred, above. But there is no escaping the fact that cowardice, the fear of a media lynching, prevented the authors from facing the bleak truth.<br /><br />If the Church is going to continue to try to play down the homo angle then we are going to go from bad to worse in this mess. That the Church is in fact still playing down the sin of sodomy is evidenced in the fact that the disgusting Rembert Weakland is even now being allowed to mince about the world masquerading as a Catholic bishop with not the slightest reprimand from Rome. Yes, he is "retired". I know that. But he's still recognized as a "bishop" by a Rome which long, long ago should have cashiered him.<br /><br />When the Weaklands, the Mahonys, the (yes)Levadas and the rest of that fairy crew are finally sent to a monastery in the desert I will begin to believe that Rome is getting serious about a problem as hideous and as revolting as the homosexual infestation in its ranks.Dannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-90593572953093941192011-05-18T11:00:02.115-07:002011-05-18T11:00:02.115-07:00@ Anon1 (above...since I will become Anon2): Don&#...@ Anon1 (above...since I will become Anon2): Don't you think that possibly the fact that there was a cover-up (which was wrong - not debating that) is being used as a way to divert attention from the underlying societal problems that have resulted in not only sexual problems of all kinds, but also abortion & the deterioration of sacramental marriage. <br /><br />Perhaps the arrow is pointing in the wrong direction. The cover-up is an exceedingly useful tool to divert attention to the fact that there is a REAL problem for everyone here, not just the Church. And the strongest tools to address the problem might come from within the Church's rich philosophical history...so undermining the Church & using the diversion tactic would be a great way for those in favor of more "liberal" points of view (including those who are writing articles about the study in the media)to win more followers to their side.<br /><br />Just like we all know that child sex abuse is always wrong, there are other moral absolutes, which are being brushed under the rug by silencing one of the few remaining voices against moral relativism in the modern world.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-41053159943455117322011-05-18T10:22:11.770-07:002011-05-18T10:22:11.770-07:00That report really doesn't refute the study. ...That report really doesn't refute the study. It just expects us to believe certain cultural stereotypes of dirty hippies as people who are benign and harmless. That's really not the case. Perhaps you should try addressing the claims rather than expecting people to walk down memory lane to Woodstock with you.<br /><br />Actually, considering that the overwhelming majority of these claims are involving Sodomy, it's a fair guess that the ones committing the crimes are homosexuals.<br /><br />In any event, the claims of this report that the problem lies with the cultural shift and increasing decadence and moral degeneracy of Western Civ is a valid one. Especially when you consider the degenerates who populate the news and media entertainment complex, but it comes more clearly into focus when you take into account that one of the architects of the so-called "Sexual Revolution", Doctor Alfred Kinsey, actually abused children during his researches, but yet, he's a kind of champion and secular Saint of those in the Left and the Media who want to destroy the traditional institutions which are the remaining pillars of the Western Civ such as it has become.<br /><br />It's so much easier to be an anti-Catholic bigot than to actually address the plank that's stuck in your eye. We can't think of anyone less savoury than a dirty, Vanity Fair Reading, sexually depraved white liberal, can you?<br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Kinsey<br /><br />http://americansfortruth.com/issues/homosexual-hate/homosexual-pedophilia-pederasty/page/2Tancredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16015531337154301560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-6529026090481338742011-05-18T09:43:28.093-07:002011-05-18T09:43:28.093-07:00I know this is a big report and a lot of money was...I know this is a big report and a lot of money was thrown at it but there are just so many flaws in their research: http://morningquickie.com/2011/05/18/report-priest-sex-abuse-hippies-study-catholic/ <br />The problem isn't a cultural shift, but the culture of cover-ups inside the Catholic Church.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com