tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post6769869249745065563..comments2024-03-28T15:32:38.398-07:00Comments on The Eponymous Flower: Do Modern Priests Have the Freedom to Do Whatever They Want? -- Liturgical AbuseTancredhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16015531337154301560noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-54526379426913318992013-05-18T10:49:37.480-07:002013-05-18T10:49:37.480-07:00Yes. We must persevere + Yes. We must persevere + Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-42495195740084154652013-05-17T13:27:00.775-07:002013-05-17T13:27:00.775-07:00Mm, the Japanese didn’t have a Mass at all for a v...Mm, the Japanese didn’t have a Mass at all for a very long time, and yet many Catholics there persevered by the grace of God. We’ll have to persevere too.Tancredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16015531337154301560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-32366182662595373772013-05-17T12:21:58.133-07:002013-05-17T12:21:58.133-07:00Aged parent, Thank you. I believe you are right ab...Aged parent, Thank you. I believe you are right about these <br />priests having lost their faith and even belief to go so far<br />in flagrant blasphemies. I neither can speak to the validity, with authority but would incline to very much doubt validity. The intentional blasphemy and the participation by those receiving Sacraments knowingly are sharing in the blasphemy, insult, disgrace to Our Lord. Your saying perhaps we get the clergy we deserve is confirmation that "we" are equally responsible if participating in Sacrilege.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-4396077795250633522013-05-17T08:04:58.618-07:002013-05-17T08:04:58.618-07:00Anon at 3:13:
Let me attempt an answer to your qu...Anon at 3:13:<br /><br />Let me attempt an answer to your question. <br /><br />When you see all this abject silliness going on at what these people consider a "Mass", it indicates several things. One, that the priest has lost his Faith, for he no longer believes in what he is doing, has no concept of or belief in the Act of Consecration and is, therefore, going ahead with these stupidities because of his lack of belief...and, of course, his desire to "put on a show" for the folks. So in these cases you are dealing with an ignorant, shallow man who would be better suited flipping hamburgers than being a priest.<br /><br />On the other hand, and more sinister, you might have here a seriously disturbed man, very possibly homosexual, who actually desires to ridicule the Holy Sacrifice and to lead his parishioners away from the practice of their Faith, and very likely away from Catholicism altogether. He does this by trite little blasphemies like the one pictured above and probably follows that up with explicit heresies in his teaching and private discussions. He, too, should not be a priest.<br /><br />Regardless, then, whether this priest is just a simple fool or idiot, or an actual intentional destroyer of the Faith, he should be immediately disciplined or removed. It is the Bishop who should be doing the disciplining but, as you should know, many, many Bishops are as bad or worse than the priests under their jurisdiction. If one day our Bishops and Popes stop smiling and start getting deadly serious we might, just might, see an end to such travesties.<br /><br />I would seriously doubt that these kinds of priests are actually confecting the Sacrament anyway. That is a discussion for someone more competent than I but I'd put money on the table on the bet that their Communions are invalid. Some fall back on the "indefectibility" argument, which states that the Divine nature of the Church makes up for any defect on the part of the priests in such cases, but I believe this is far too murky a question to be dismissed with allusions to indefectibility. There are numerous historical cases in the Church where Confessions were declared invalid due to the actions/beliefs of certain priests, not to mention marriages or other Sacraments. I cannot assume that such Masses are valid.<br /><br />Stupidity and banality reign supreme in the Church just now. And because of that you get things like clown "masses" or - Cardinal Schonborn's personal favorite, balloon "Masses". Perhaps we get the clergy we deserve. <br /><br />Aged parenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05217229048176272954noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-67374803591810865372013-05-17T07:59:30.634-07:002013-05-17T07:59:30.634-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Aged parenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05217229048176272954noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-20048331655866536152013-05-15T19:47:42.775-07:002013-05-15T19:47:42.775-07:00Tancred, I am not in doubt that it has and even st...Tancred, I am not in doubt that it has and even still sometimes happens. My questions were honest, seeking an honest answer because I'm totally baffled.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-16735946205069379222013-05-15T16:31:36.832-07:002013-05-15T16:31:36.832-07:00No, anon 325, surely this is just a myth and it ne...No, anon 325, surely this is just a myth and it never, ever,ever, ever happens.Tancredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16015531337154301560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-1102873855590940552013-05-15T15:25:58.454-07:002013-05-15T15:25:58.454-07:00Has anyone here ever personally witnessed this thi...Has anyone here ever personally witnessed this thing?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-51664713595298215702013-05-15T15:13:37.391-07:002013-05-15T15:13:37.391-07:00I meant not in Full communion. Am I wrong? Can som...I meant not in Full communion. Am I wrong? Can someone answer? And can anyone say something about what the clown thing means to the devils who deal in it ? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-11815501379120255602013-05-15T14:06:24.294-07:002013-05-15T14:06:24.294-07:00They aren't? That's news to me.
It is pre...They aren't? That's news to me.<br /><br />It is precisely because they ARE (as they are legit and have ever remained faithful to the FAITH) and because guilt made BXVI discontinue the lies of the JPII reign that it was found necessary by the enemies of Catholicism to invent something new to not to be "in" with...therefore the new term "full communion". Those who came up with that one are the clowns.Continoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-3102476188012724732013-05-15T12:48:52.723-07:002013-05-15T12:48:52.723-07:00that picture makes me cry...that picture makes me cry...priest's wife - S.T./ Anne Boyd https://www.blogger.com/profile/03792937108732259684noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-55486692216560447002013-05-15T11:24:16.803-07:002013-05-15T11:24:16.803-07:00People who do this and attend these determined Bla...People who do this and attend these determined Blasphemies<br />without recording and putting a stop to it are in league with the Devil. There is not explanation but intentional <br />Blasphemy. <br />Many blatant abuses take place in Rome and are not Stopped !<br />No wonder the SSPX are not in communion with Rome.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-78618802111353294172013-05-15T11:22:05.679-07:002013-05-15T11:22:05.679-07:00At first, I thought this was from Mass at the LA R...At first, I thought this was from Mass at the LA Religious Education Congress.Clinton R.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-10050973837409379462013-05-15T11:05:54.079-07:002013-05-15T11:05:54.079-07:00Can anyone tell us who do not know what the "...Can anyone tell us who do not know what the "theme" of the clown ritual is. It's basis must have a common theme, message, purpose. Otherwise some priests could start kangaroo or man on stilts "Masses" or anything "Masses". Why clowncentric Blasphemy?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-79545814277779866742013-05-15T07:44:47.782-07:002013-05-15T07:44:47.782-07:00It's a policy for them to direct the parishion...It's a policy for them to direct the parishioner to the priest, as if the parishioner has broken the chain of command. You have to follow protocal so it's best to address the priest first so they can't redirect you.Tancredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16015531337154301560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-43292001888735512622013-05-15T05:12:31.266-07:002013-05-15T05:12:31.266-07:00It is the Vicar General's job to speak to the ...It is the Vicar General's job to speak to the priest, not the parishioner's. Can anyone explain the comment from Messa in Latino? It seems to be in conflict with itself so it must be in the translation.<br /><br />Mrs. S...if you have that much going for you that you know the Mass is to be sacrificial and expiatory, why are you attending a Novus Ordo shindig in the first place? That is not an option for Catholics graced to know better.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com