tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post5991240258282629562..comments2024-03-18T20:53:13.625-07:00Comments on The Eponymous Flower: "Total War" Against the Franciscans of the Immaculata? The Unspeakable "Blemish"Tancredhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16015531337154301560noreply@blogger.comBlogger39125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-26198670614752933532015-05-14T01:22:25.258-07:002015-05-14T01:22:25.258-07:00The only reason they came down on the FFI is becau...The only reason they came down on the FFI is because they take their vow of obedience to the 'Holy Father' and the Church ( and by extension Our Lord) and would comply out of obedience. Try applying such heavy handedness to our Liberal members of the Church and see what would happen. The FFI will be blessed for their humility and obedience in God's good time.geoff kiernanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09672561396425844241noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-84281107610821726202015-05-14T01:10:16.941-07:002015-05-14T01:10:16.941-07:00In my part of the world (Perth Western Australia) ...In my part of the world (Perth Western Australia) it is common to see groups of 5-6 of Our 'Sisters of Mercy' a once great teaching order, attending the local Casino dressed in their 'power dress suit' complete with just a touch of make up. They are very inspirational ( I think not) They are all about 65/70 plus years old. They really are Pathetic individualsgeoff kiernanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09672561396425844241noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-52251839555741793902014-06-10T06:42:18.468-07:002014-06-10T06:42:18.468-07:00yes very obvious that this statement is unjust ..b...yes very obvious that this statement is unjust ..but what can you say about a REPORTER.. there is no truth about them..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-46582291341208807572014-06-10T06:39:23.934-07:002014-06-10T06:39:23.934-07:00yes we all know that they are a very good religiou...yes we all know that they are a very good religious order i don't think so all of it knows but but don't make a statement if you haven't realize to be one of them as you know this was the very outstanding religious order i ever retreated ..dont judge others judge yourself of who you are okay!!? :) Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-91780377287391742412013-12-23T08:05:00.924-08:002013-12-23T08:05:00.924-08:00"To cite one of numerous examples, a priest a..."To cite one of numerous examples, a priest announced one day that the congregation had to all take off our shoes, out of reference to Christ. Ya think that's in the liturgical books anywhere?"<br />Yes. That was in the books for "Veneration of the Wood of Cross" on Good Friday. Now you know. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-55706028558068075012013-12-21T13:00:01.018-08:002013-12-21T13:00:01.018-08:00Eh? You want the Signatura to judge the Pope? Co...Eh? You want the Signatura to judge the Pope? Confused much?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-90210728545528680512013-12-21T12:57:51.006-08:002013-12-21T12:57:51.006-08:00I live in Rome and for years have frequently atten...I live in Rome and for years have frequently attended a church staffed by FFI priests. What I've seen there completely jibes with the claims of internal ideological in-fighting that we're hearing about. On the one hand, there are some stellar, holy priests there. On the other hand, there is some real weirdness too. To cite one of numerous examples, a priest announced one day that the congregation had to all take off our shoes, out of reference to Christ. Ya think that's in the liturgical books anywhere? <br /><br />There was a re-shuffle just recently and a new group came in to service this particular church... and all I can tell thus far is that from their body language and general demeanor when they pray together, they seem to hate each other. Nice.<br /><br />I have absolutely no skin in this game either way. But I can say that from what I've been seeing long-term, there are some elements of the FFI that are definitely messed up. Maybe Francis is handling it well, maybe not. But this is a much more complicated situation than the White Hat/Black Hat dichotomy that is being depicted by many on the internet.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-9238929666226016522013-12-16T16:24:31.000-08:002013-12-16T16:24:31.000-08:00Very well said! Our Lady loves this holy order.
Very well said! Our Lady loves this holy order.<br />Pilarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14993124636054824834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-81071683264108680522013-12-12T19:08:56.243-08:002013-12-12T19:08:56.243-08:00If it is Total War they want, then it is Total War...If it is Total War they want, then it is Total War they will get! Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12431121575996890789noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-29498950362741561262013-12-12T06:10:49.007-08:002013-12-12T06:10:49.007-08:00Firstly, thank you for pointing out that Papa Bene...Firstly, thank you for pointing out that Papa Bene put the FIs under observation et c. I love both he and our current Holy Father and it is so sad to see either off them cop flack unduly.<br />Secondly, I agree that the FFIs "will lift up and beautify the ordinary form, celebrating it with great reverence and providing the world an example of how it should be done." However, it wouldn't surprise me if they used vernacular languages and offered Mass versus populum on occasion.Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01594202310349804961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-64379392988201034182013-12-12T06:06:52.523-08:002013-12-12T06:06:52.523-08:00None of us get to judge who's in Hell. Be care...None of us get to judge who's in Hell. Be careful not to give scandal and lead someone to think that it's possible for us to know that.Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01594202310349804961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-62763467616616755592013-12-10T17:13:28.382-08:002013-12-10T17:13:28.382-08:00If you ever want to see miserable, unhealthy nuns,...If you ever want to see miserable, unhealthy nuns, it's the pantsuit ones who want to be priestesses and practice witchcraft.Tancredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16015531337154301560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-55691819555979278462013-12-10T13:11:07.409-08:002013-12-10T13:11:07.409-08:00"Externally, there were elements more notable..."Externally, there were elements more notable in prison camps and prisons. However the real trauma suffered by the sisters came about because interior freedom was denied them. Interior freedom is the last human freedom by which the soul can soar to God even under extremely restrictive prison camp-like conditions... This led to what you will observe if you ever meet a sister of the Immaculate: someone who comes across as “enslaved” and not very human."<br /><br />...Dear me. Poor sisters, sourpusses. Must be so unhappy because they're having their liver pecked out every day....<br /><br />Lol.Damask Rosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12903564104733536123noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-55631697229435861862013-12-10T11:13:36.408-08:002013-12-10T11:13:36.408-08:00The Blessed Mother wept at La Salette because &quo...The Blessed Mother wept at La Salette because "the priests would betray the Church". At Akita, she warned us that "priests would be against priests, bishops against bishops, cardinals against cardinals". We should have known that this was coming, that the persecution would be greatest from within the Church. Pity and pray for the poor bishops. Jesus at Tuy told Sr. Lucia that the "consecration (of Russia) would be done, but it would be late" and that the bishops would suffer as did the Kings' of France. Someone needs to warn the bishops that many of the Church fathers and the saints said something similar to this “The floor of hell is paved with the skulls of bishops.”<br />St. Athanasius, Council of Nicaea, AD 325 attributedAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-83531934702425003422013-12-09T14:28:20.971-08:002013-12-09T14:28:20.971-08:00Nothing new here. Same tactics and techniques us...Nothing new here. Same tactics and techniques used on 99.9% of the religious communities in the sixties. They're using a bit more finesse having had fifty years refining their devious methods for destroying anything Catholic.Violetnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-16010062208041005022013-12-09T07:05:11.632-08:002013-12-09T07:05:11.632-08:00I hope this results in the FI applying for the ord...I hope this results in the FI applying for the order to go completely TLM.<br /><br />Doesn't anyone else see this as strange, an order that is growing and gaining vocations and very devout is being disciplined,,,, because they want to embrace the tradition of the Church.<br /><br />Funny, there doesn't seem to be a vocations crisis, the crisis is the institution weeding out tradition. If tradition was given its rightful place, vocations would flow and the crisis in the Church would be resolved.<br /><br />The success of the FI contradicts the modernists narrative that everything needs to updated for modern man.....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-29055462034394307702013-12-08T18:50:24.742-08:002013-12-08T18:50:24.742-08:00And you wonder why over two hundred friars, a majo...And you wonder why over two hundred friars, a majority, have petitioned the Pope requesting they be allowed to leave this order. One wonders if Volpe was a Godfather in his early years given how vicious he has managed this matter.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-31174180819826104792013-12-08T14:17:04.064-08:002013-12-08T14:17:04.064-08:00This is quite irritating to me that Francis is per...This is quite irritating to me that Francis is persecuting this order. I had just discovered recently their online sermons and webpage and was getting great spiritual nourishment from them. I was even thinking to seek out their masses in Boston when I'm there. <br /><br />What or whom the current Bishop of Rome is only time will tell, I have a good idea but very few blogs seem to be able to figure it out but time will reveal all.<br /><br />In the meantime the Franciscans take take solace in the fact that they are truly loved by God and they should dance for joy in fact. <br /><br />They should (I'm sure they do already) pray to Saint Theresa of Avila. She was persecuted by the counter reformation people in her time, she can help themAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-6383895127269271792013-12-08T13:43:07.333-08:002013-12-08T13:43:07.333-08:00Anonymous, I'll being praying for you at the n...Anonymous, I'll being praying for you at the next A Day with MaryMaryannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07358046556817886667noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-21248159117991772132013-12-07T17:07:32.282-08:002013-12-07T17:07:32.282-08:00What exactly do you mean by "traditionalist&q...What exactly do you mean by "traditionalist" and "traditionalism"? "Traditionalist" is a non-catholic pejorative formulation that I reject. The Church is tradition and tradition is the Church! Sorry to break this to you, but if you aren't a "traditionalist" Catholic you aren't a Catholic! So saying someone is a "traditionalist Catholic" is needless duplication!<br /><br />As an example, you are bound by all the dogmas promulgated by the Church prior to VII and per VI you are obligated to understand them as they were once pronounced (in their traditional understanding - no novel interpretations). The thrice-proclaimed dogma Extra Ecclesia Nulla Salus assumes that the Church of Christ IS the Catholic Church. Under V1 you are obligated to understand the EENS dogma in its original sense assuming this ecclesiology. <br /><br />That means if you understand V2 to imply that non-Catholic sects are means of salvation in and of themselves you have adopted a heretical understanding of V2 that conflicts with the traditional understanding of the EENS dogma. <br /><br />The only non-heretical understanding of statements in the V2 documents that sects are means of salvation is (1) they may have valid baptisms that if applied to someone below the age of reason would be salvific if that person were to die before reaching the age of reason in a state of grace and outside the visible Church; and (2) non-Catholic sects may be used by the Lord to lead a person to the One True Church. Is that how you understand EENS? <br /><br />Note in (1) and (2) it is really misleading to say that the sect is a "means of salvation" because in both of these examples it is the Catholic Church that is the ultimate means of salvation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-34167632849908239982013-12-07T14:42:16.339-08:002013-12-07T14:42:16.339-08:00I won't comment on the assertions relating the...I won't comment on the assertions relating the status of the sisters and their formation. However, it's clear the Institute was moving in a traditionalist direction under Fr. Stefano. The connection between Scotism and this direction is a non sequitur, however. Moreover, Scotus and Scotism have nothing to do with "extreme voluntarism." If anything Scotus presents the solution. A basic knowledge of his and Bonaventure's metaphysics would serve to show that the traditional Franciscan school is worlds away from Ockham. Traditionalism itself is the likely the source of the direction Fr. Stefano attempted to take the FI. Fr. Stefano's authoritarian approach, as described above, is more in line with Ockham, if we want to find a villain here, than Scotus. Scotus, also, on the contrary, radically affirms the Incarnation. Finally, those in the FI who opposed this new direction include one of the greatest living Bonaventuro-Scotists in the world. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-12715089128856941582013-12-07T09:35:24.235-08:002013-12-07T09:35:24.235-08:00I have a simple, straightforward question. The ne...I have a simple, straightforward question. The new liturgy was created by Annibale Bugnini who was accused of being a freemason. What kind of institution allows someone even suspected of being a member of a group that is its sworn enemy to be responsible for a major change to the institution? Would any sane institution allow a sworn enemy to meddle unmolested with its beliefs, doctrines and disciplines? <br /><br />In the case of the Church an alleged freemason - Bugnini - was given responsibility for "Liturgical Reform". (It is noted that generations of Popes thought "liturgical reform" was beyond their authority - regardless of what some modernists say about the mass being merely a "discipline"). <br /><br />A reasonable person would suspect that changes made to the practices of an institution by an infiltrating fifth columnist (e.g., a freemason pretending to be a Catholic prelate) would be done with malice, wouldn't he? Has the Church ever even investigated these charges? If not, what should a faithful Catholic think of the Church "leadership" (1) who didn't think it was necessary to investigate these allegations; and (2) who didn't think it had any obligation to reassure the faithful that the new liturgy was not the product of a malicious freemason?<br /><br />Another question to the Friars of the Immaculate - if it is true that Bugnini was a freemason with malicious intent - does it make any sense to claim that you say his product as "reverently" as possible? It would seem as a loyal son of the Church you would want absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with a false liturgy created by a sworn enemy of the church. Or do you claim that saying a substitute mass reflecting fundamental and questionable changes in e.g., the concept of the priesthood, laity, the nature of the mass itself, is just one more cross that a poor faithful obedient servant must bear? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-13008693116232845362013-12-07T07:16:41.965-08:002013-12-07T07:16:41.965-08:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-77574125275262534032013-12-07T06:49:28.092-08:002013-12-07T06:49:28.092-08:00NOTE: This Franciscan Order was brought under obse...NOTE: This Franciscan Order was brought under observation prior to Pope Francis due to internal discord regarding the two forms of the roman rite. A commission brought forth its findings and the Holy Father signed off on the recommendation given him that the *ordinary* form be used *ordinarily* across the board with certain exceptions. The Order will lift up and beautify the ordinary form, celebrating it with great reverence and providing the world an example of how it should be done. Likely, they will say it exclusively in latin, with chant and facing ad orientem.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-39375278092816024842013-12-07T04:09:57.303-08:002013-12-07T04:09:57.303-08:00I thought that the fat marshmallow in hell Martin ...I thought that the fat marshmallow in hell Martin Luther died in the 1500s. But no. He lives! C.J.noreply@blogger.com