tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post5592622455972967149..comments2024-03-28T00:16:46.394-07:00Comments on The Eponymous Flower: Catholic Prelates, Priests and Academics Objecting to Errors of AmorisLaetitiaTancredhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16015531337154301560noreply@blogger.comBlogger30125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-21660205874131996702016-07-14T23:42:58.088-07:002016-07-14T23:42:58.088-07:00IN ONE PLACE: Pro Domine et Ecclesia contra #Amori...IN ONE PLACE: Pro Domine et Ecclesia contra #AmorisLaetitia; Petitions: To the Pope; To all Catholic Bishops - https://thewarourtime.com/2016/07/14/pro-domine-et-ecclesia-et-pontifice-contra-amorislaetitia-petitions-to-the-pope-to-all-catholic-bishops/thewarourtime.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01978929245986924620noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-24278338219833620392016-07-14T05:03:02.612-07:002016-07-14T05:03:02.612-07:00Every generation has its Sauls of Tarsus, Judases ...Every generation has its Sauls of Tarsus, Judases and Simon Magi.Tancredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16015531337154301560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-56392124356166724422016-07-13T23:52:12.837-07:002016-07-13T23:52:12.837-07:00By the way I am by no means alone in questioning a...By the way I am by no means alone in questioning aspects of Catholicism that are questionable. Everybody does it, today traditionalists more than most. They are the ones suggesting that Pope Francis should not be pope, he is a heretic etc. etc. Where is the magisterium now?Savonarolahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12547523172291007631noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-20727768168350789042016-07-13T23:43:33.810-07:002016-07-13T23:43:33.810-07:00You are quite right, Athelstane, I do have a probl...You are quite right, Athelstane, I do have a problem with Catholicism, so do most Catholics that I know - the problem is that Catholicism is often not Catholic, i.e. universal, but sectarian. But that does not make us protestants. We simply want the Church to be truly itself, freed from its dominant model of secular Roman imperialism. You must surely know that to say we have always had celibate clerics, as if this is divinely instituted, is over simplifying a much more complex matter.Savonarolahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12547523172291007631noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-50285405810646264102016-07-13T15:13:16.399-07:002016-07-13T15:13:16.399-07:00Catholic teaching is that the Church exists to han...Catholic teaching is that the Church exists to hand down those things that Christ taught for the salvation of men, you should know that you're not God. It's been ever thus.Tancredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16015531337154301560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-72939552074319560802016-07-13T14:29:43.202-07:002016-07-13T14:29:43.202-07:00The only certitude, Athelstane, is God. All the re...The only certitude, Athelstane, is God. All the rest in Denzinger, the CCC etc is the inadequate language of analogy. You should know that.Jacknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-3531385982490167652016-07-13T12:30:29.808-07:002016-07-13T12:30:29.808-07:00The East has always had them too, and the Monks ar...The East has always had them too, and the Monks are a little little closer to angels than the laity there too. Only monks can be bishops in the East, for many good reasons.Tancredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16015531337154301560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-4201481503410677062016-07-13T12:16:00.204-07:002016-07-13T12:16:00.204-07:00"Is it any surprise that celibate clerics sho..."Is it any surprise that celibate clerics should pronounce celibacy to be superior to marriage and consider their opinion to be infallibly true...?"<br /><br />But now you're changing the subject. <br /><br />You asked for authorities. Authorities were given to you.<br /><br />That's the Magisterium we have, and the one we have always had, East and West: celibate clerics. If this is a problem for you, then you have a problem with <i>Catholicism itself</i>. There's a word for that, and it's called "Protestant."Athelstanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07346012062816580296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-85451398775111789602016-07-13T12:14:02.573-07:002016-07-13T12:14:02.573-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Athelstanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07346012062816580296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-13569281238076488192016-07-13T12:09:17.003-07:002016-07-13T12:09:17.003-07:00"contained world of certitudes"
An inte..."contained world of certitudes"<br /><br />An interesting way to describe my copy of Denzinger, Jack. Athelstanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07346012062816580296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-13456705730260655122016-07-13T11:57:47.407-07:002016-07-13T11:57:47.407-07:00Slap on a tendentious label like apostolic teachin...Slap on a tendentious label like apostolic teaching and think this proves your point, And throw out a few insults as well - the tradCath way which is doing a very fine job of promoting antiChrist or the devil, but I'll try to assume the best and suggest that your worship mostly yourself.Savonarolahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12547523172291007631noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-28585402493212648562016-07-13T11:15:35.440-07:002016-07-13T11:15:35.440-07:00They won't tell me who the signatories are eit...They won't tell me who the signatories are either, but what I can see looks good so far.<br /><br />If there are any mystery writers among the signatories beloved by Francesco, it might yield some good fruit...<br /><br />Is Gabriel Garcia Marquez still alive?Tancredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16015531337154301560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-79259412186124190042016-07-13T11:13:43.566-07:002016-07-13T11:13:43.566-07:00It's an apostolic teaching. If you want to be...It's an apostolic teaching. If you want to be a Unitarian, or even a devil worshiper, you couldn't be doing a finer job, but I'll try to assume the best and suggest that you worship mostly yourself.Tancredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16015531337154301560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-40482931199759592942016-07-13T11:05:15.027-07:002016-07-13T11:05:15.027-07:00I'm a tad reluctant to sing the praises of som...I'm a tad reluctant to sing the praises of something that I haven't yet been allowed to read.Restore-DC-Catholicismhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17478857915379063106noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-74103207663689379272016-07-13T11:01:57.187-07:002016-07-13T11:01:57.187-07:00Is it any surprise that celibate clerics should pr...Is it any surprise that celibate clerics should pronounce celibacy to be superior to marriage and consider their opinion to be infallibly true, ignoring as they do all the hard questions about how Scripture is to be properly interpreted?<br />And what sublime arrogance considering that there could hardly be a church at all if it were not largely made up of married people. Being infallible does not prevent you from talking twaddle.Savonarolahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12547523172291007631noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-19164423100793447342016-07-13T09:50:05.089-07:002016-07-13T09:50:05.089-07:00St. Paul, 1 Corinthians 7:
"It is a good thi...St. Paul, 1 Corinthians 7:<br /><br />"It is a good thing for a man not to touch a woman. Indeed, I wish that everyone were like I am. I should like you to be free from anxieties. An unmarried man is anxious about the things of the Lord; how he may please the Lord. But a married man is anxious about the things of the world; how he may please his wife, and he is divided. Are you free of a wife? Then do not look for a wife. If you marry, however, you do not sin, nor does an unmarried woman sin if she marries; but such people will experience affliction in their earthly life, and I would like to spare you that" (c.f., Mark 12:18-27; Matt. 19:10-12; 2 Timothy 2:3).<br /><br />Pope John Paul II , Vita Consecrata, 32:<br /><br />“As a way of showing forth the Church's holiness, it is to be recognized that the consecrated life, which mirrors Christ's own way of life, has an objective superiority. Precisely for this reason, it is an especially rich manifestation of gospel values and a more complete expression of the Church's purpose, which is the sanctification of humanity. The consecrated life proclaims and in a certain way anticipates the future age, when the fullness of the Kingdom of Heaven, already present in its first fruits and in mystery, will be achieved and when the children of the resurrection will take neither wife nor husband, but will be like the angels of God (c.f., Matt. 22:30).”<br /><br />Pope Pius XII, Sacra Virginitas, 32:<br /><br />“This doctrine of the excellence of virginity and of celibacy and of their superiority over the married state was, as we have already said, revealed by our divine Redeemer and by the Apostle of the Gentiles; so too, it was solemnly defined as a dogma of divine faith by the holy Council of Trent, and explained in the same way by all the holy Fathers and doctors of the Church.”<br /><br />Council of Trent:<br /><br />"If anyone saith that the marriage state is to be preferred before the state of virginity, let him be anathema." [...] "writing to the Corinthians, [Paul] says: I would that all men were even as myself; that is, that all embrace the virtue of continence...A life of continence is to be desired by all.”<br /><br />Catechism of the Catholic Church, 916<br /><br />"The state of the consecrated life is thus one way of experiencing a "more intimate" consecration, rooted in Baptism and dedicated totally to God. In the consecrated life, Christ's faithful, moved by the Holy Spirit, propose to follow Christ more nearly, to give themselves to God who is loved above all and, pursuing the perfection of charity in the service of the Kingdom, to signify and proclaim in the Church the glory of the world to come."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-16846021608421947432016-07-13T08:09:15.297-07:002016-07-13T08:09:15.297-07:00'jack' is 'hugo' is 'gerard k&...'jack' is 'hugo' is 'gerard k' is 'chip' is 'gaybriel' et. al.....they're all the same demonic troll's nom-de-stupids. He baits because he enjoys chaos and dissent. Probably best to ignore him (when not rigorously mocking him) as his brand of malignant narcissism feeds on attention.<br /><br />As to your predictions re. the next pope (and please God let it be soon!), I think only a direct miracle of God could provide what you expect. bergoglio is stacking the deck more every day in the college. Now the vile cupich will be selecting the next round of bishops, and out of that heterodox lot no doubt bergy will hand out red hats like pez....including one upcoming for cupich no soon.<br /><br />This is a vile cabal at the reins; they traffic in lies, intentional error, arrogance, and abuse of authority. They love power, wield it tyrannically, and NEVER cede it...the demeanor is on display in the mexican drug cartels, the obama administration (heck, the modern democrat party), the militant sodomite movement, and myriad other leftist/marxist orgs. and asscs. across the globe. We are being inundated from hell itself, and bergoglio is one of the chief mouthpieces. susannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-58104607426243695782016-07-13T08:01:11.504-07:002016-07-13T08:01:11.504-07:00I'd have thought the religious goods mafia wou...I'd have thought the religious goods mafia would have done something about him, since he's said quite a few untoward things about their trade, including the people who do official documents.Tancredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16015531337154301560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-26270190173301116042016-07-13T06:39:22.406-07:002016-07-13T06:39:22.406-07:00Damian.I hope they do hate the Humble Heretic in R...Damian.I hope they do hate the Humble Heretic in Rome!It is good news and i am pleased.In all my 63yrs i have never felt such contempt for the Apostates and Heretics in Rome who have trample the Faith into the dirt for years.May God soon deal with them!philipjohnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16128964006463059159noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-56656679004433781282016-07-13T05:00:53.539-07:002016-07-13T05:00:53.539-07:00I don't know anything about Jack, but that was...I don't know anything about Jack, but that was a humorous and unexpected comment, Susan.<br />I think Jack is probably far to the left of most of us when it comes to the Church. I hope he's not too upset with the next Pope...but I think he and all those who support what's going on will be.<br />I think I mentioned it before that I have a friend in Rome who is a young nun, who went all the way ti Italy to find a traditional, "old habited" teaching Order of sisters. She's alittle older than me, and is Irish American. She's been in Rome for about 10 years, and is stationed in a great little classic Italian hill town 8 miles outside Rome. But she goes back to the Motherhouse near the Vatican, and attends the Sunday Angelus in St. Peter's often. <br />She;s told me a lot about the simmering dislike for Francis in Rome, and Italy in general. And forget about him at Castel Gandolfo....they hate him there! Literally.<br />So I think we're in for a pleasant surprise with the next Pope. Not too young, not too old, and maybe even....not a Cardinal.<br />Damian MalliapalliAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-39257210838944205162016-07-13T04:06:37.535-07:002016-07-13T04:06:37.535-07:00yeah, and 'gerard k's version of enlighten...yeah, and 'gerard k's version of enlightened nonfundamentalism has God destroying sodom because of inhospitality.<br /><br />putz.susannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-75477597996476080992016-07-13T04:03:16.769-07:002016-07-13T04:03:16.769-07:00'Jack', in particular, is an ass.'Jack', in particular, is an ass.susannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-66412253740429114412016-07-13T03:18:09.864-07:002016-07-13T03:18:09.864-07:00No, Damian, they are not the saviors of your tidy ...No, Damian, they are not the saviors of your tidy little contained world of certitudes, they are very confused people who are trapped in their own grab bag of syllogisms. <br />Shaw, in particular, is a goose.Jacknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-3032640365160495092016-07-13T03:15:15.010-07:002016-07-13T03:15:15.010-07:00No, Barney, it would be your entirely predictable ...No, Barney, it would be your entirely predictable fundamentalist reading of St Paul that generates confusion at least for yourself.<br />Read a book.Gerard Knoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-23955548023292960932016-07-13T01:20:37.617-07:002016-07-13T01:20:37.617-07:00St Paul isn't good enough for you, eh? But the...St Paul isn't good enough for you, eh? But then, you are confused.Barnumnoreply@blogger.com