tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post5469781084463048247..comments2024-03-29T07:38:07.393-07:00Comments on The Eponymous Flower: Society of St. Pius X Six Years After the Letter of Benedict XVI Between Vocations and SchismTancredhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16015531337154301560noreply@blogger.comBlogger32125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-31773092465672737962015-04-22T05:26:11.266-07:002015-04-22T05:26:11.266-07:00Oh thank you very much!Oh thank you very much!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-4931466462026502742015-04-22T05:23:49.495-07:002015-04-22T05:23:49.495-07:00Not true,Archbishop Kurz,Fr.Gommar Depauw,Fr.James...Not true,Archbishop Kurz,Fr.Gommar Depauw,Fr.James Wathen,Archbishop Thuc,Archbishop Mendez, and few others resisted, fought, and abandoned Vatican 2.The 2 bishops you cite happen to receive the most credit.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-83619511044060672032015-03-23T08:08:58.127-07:002015-03-23T08:08:58.127-07:00Thanks to your first sentence it explained the ign...Thanks to your first sentence it explained the ignorance in the remainder of your post.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-61329083321344920602015-03-22T21:43:19.643-07:002015-03-22T21:43:19.643-07:00Also look into St.Ansgar being appointed bishop an...Also look into St.Ansgar being appointed bishop and setting up a dioceses without the popes knowledge or pre-approval.Secondly the Maronite catholics ordained/consecrated their own clergy while living in self imposed exile for 400 years in the mountains of Lebanon.Yes St.Anthanasius ordained his clergy during the Arian Crisis.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-14514792674646980132015-03-22T21:39:02.395-07:002015-03-22T21:39:02.395-07:00For the record I am Roman catholic holding the sed...For the record I am Roman catholic holding the sedevacantist position.While not agreeing 100% with the SSPX,they do have valid priest's & bishop's.My worry is if they re-unite with the Vatican 2 sect,the society would be forced to admit invalid priest's/bishop's into their ranks.It would nullify their holy sacrifice of the mass and all other sacraments.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-83299360183666267872015-03-21T14:41:46.663-07:002015-03-21T14:41:46.663-07:00Came across the claim a couple of times last week,...Came across the claim a couple of times last week, though I, admittedly, saw no citations. The reference might be in regard to his consecrating Frumentius circa 340-346 (according to some historians)...this would put it in the middle of Athanasius' 2nd exile.susannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-80352333541294105672015-03-20T18:27:39.232-07:002015-03-20T18:27:39.232-07:00Susan could you please provide the source of your ...Susan could you please provide the source of your statement that St. Athanasius did in fact consecrate bishops after he was exiled from his position of authority in the Church?Grandmahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10780783864323376442noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-54059588544623686422015-03-20T12:24:12.318-07:002015-03-20T12:24:12.318-07:00This is a good read and explanation on the issue, ...This is a good read and explanation on the issue, with historical fact throughout....<br /><br />http://fsspx.org/en/publications/newsletters/consecration-fr-jean-michel-faure-7443<br /><br />susannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-68316012949264676552015-03-20T10:04:23.393-07:002015-03-20T10:04:23.393-07:00nice tapdance...you should work for the obama admi...nice tapdance...you should work for the obama administration.susannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-80615358395237083262015-03-20T00:16:58.263-07:002015-03-20T00:16:58.263-07:00You are wrong, according to the Catholic Encyclope...You are wrong, according to the Catholic Encyclopedia entry for Arianism. And the teachings of St. Paul and St. John regarding Christ's nature preceded Arius, right? You seem to be quoting some other translation, as the Creed as stated at Mass is worded "... God from God, Light from Light, True God from True God..." The Christian understanding has always been that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are equal and co-eternal.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-70141523771956487422015-03-20T00:09:53.991-07:002015-03-20T00:09:53.991-07:00So why then, if the above is the case, did three o...So why then, if the above is the case, did three of the $$PX bishops - with the approval of the Superior General but not the Pope - consecrate Mgr. Rangel in Campos in 1991? Surely, one of the four bishops could have travelled to Brazil for ordinations and consecrations?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-82180093834075243752015-03-19T19:27:33.805-07:002015-03-19T19:27:33.805-07:00Popes didn't used to appoint bishops. Bishops ...Popes didn't used to appoint bishops. Bishops used to be elected by the churches over which they would rule. Popes appointing bishops probably only goes back to Vatican One in the 1860s.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-86049370459514174452015-03-19T19:25:50.416-07:002015-03-19T19:25:50.416-07:00Arius didn't deny that Christ was divine. Ariu...Arius didn't deny that Christ was divine. Arius theory was simply that there was a time when only the hypostasis of the Father was, and then the Father begot the divine son, and yet this time was before time, so that by the beginning of time God was Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Fact is, most modern Trinitarians actually hold to Arius' theory and don't know it. Fact also is, the Nicene Creed actually contain Arius' theory: "God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God"....the "of"s clearly denote derivation from the Father in such a way that at one point he does not exist as a distinct hypostasis and at the next he does...that's Arianism. The First Council of Constantinople obviously realized this was the case so they tacked an Anathema on to the creed to fix it "And we Anathemize anyone who says that there was a time when the Son was not." But it was a little too late to fix the Arian, oh excuse me, Nicene Creed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-5924465253700794732015-03-19T18:47:02.777-07:002015-03-19T18:47:02.777-07:00tell it to SAINT Athanasius.tell it to SAINT Athanasius.susannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-1070579737903707512015-03-19T18:35:14.276-07:002015-03-19T18:35:14.276-07:00Anonymous at 7:32. I bet you're super sensitiv...Anonymous at 7:32. I bet you're super sensitive to the "marginalized" and those on the "peripheries" aren't you? Really Enlightened comment you made there. Tancred is on the right track...plenty of episcopal psychopaths in "good standing" and able to vote for popes or run a diocese into the ground. Im happy to provide a list if you need one. But you don't need one, you've already assumed the power to declare holy men outside the Church. <br />Ryanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02914825106423413760noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-65123308868792999772015-03-19T17:02:00.265-07:002015-03-19T17:02:00.265-07:00Preserving the True Faith/Tradition? Consecration...Preserving the True Faith/Tradition? Consecration of bishops without a papal mandate is as "un-Catholic" as it gets. Pretty simple.Grandmahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04225783931815948748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-1231811686556880552015-03-19T09:53:38.279-07:002015-03-19T09:53:38.279-07:00Anon 4:10...you no doubt would have been railing a...Anon 4:10...you no doubt would have been railing against Athanasius (who, like Lefebvre in a time of true crisis, also consecrated his own bishops)...all the while screaming, "Christ is not divine! Christ is not divine!...you're in schism!"susannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-72646986492692749552015-03-19T07:28:11.278-07:002015-03-19T07:28:11.278-07:00"Sadly, Williamson has led other flourishing ..."Sadly, Williamson has led other flourishing religions communities once loyal to the SSPX into his error." Which is? I'm thinking this is another thing like condemning the poor Orthodox over the filioque...even though the addition of the filioque adds nothing of substance to the creed and they're keeping the original creed. If Williamson is in REAL error, how come nobody will say what that error is????Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-46235773561540679002015-03-19T06:03:33.652-07:002015-03-19T06:03:33.652-07:00Williamson is no Archbishop Lefebvre!
RIGHTEOUS
T...Williamson is no Archbishop Lefebvre!<br /><br />RIGHTEOUS<br />THUNDER<br /><br /><br />Five times banished<br />Exiled seventeen<br />Excommunicated champions<br />God puts at each scene.<br /><br /><br />Saint Athanasius,<br />Feast day of worth<br />On the second of May<br />The month of great mirth.<br /><br /><br />Out in the deserts – <br />As history has charted – <br />You preserved the true Mass<br />Great lion-hearted.<br /><br /><br />Now Lefebvre<br />And the sixties egalitarians<br />Like Athanasius,<br />His time his Arians.<br /><br /><br />For He who abolished<br />Death by death<br />Sent him to absolve<br />Sin width and breadth.<br /><br /><br />And yes the same moon<br />The same sun we're all under…<br />We venal rain - but Lefebvre<br /><br />Righteous thunder!! <br /><br />Long-Skirtshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00791967605782446951noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-71314347121140897932015-03-18T16:10:20.999-07:002015-03-18T16:10:20.999-07:00Williamson, like Lefebvre will probably die excomm...Williamson, like Lefebvre will probably die excommunicated, in schism, outside the Church and completely deranged as well.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-66798793137427330952015-03-18T12:23:10.404-07:002015-03-18T12:23:10.404-07:00This act of mercy costed a papacy, a few weeks lat...This act of mercy costed a papacy, a few weeks later was issued the famous interview by Bp.Williamson to Sweedish tv....be grateful to this great and bold Catholic Roman Pontiff, I'm afraid he's the last one. May God bless and protect him from the evil that's inside the Vatican. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-3141442630257020182015-03-18T10:17:09.915-07:002015-03-18T10:17:09.915-07:002009 was a pivotal year for Pope Benedict it was p...2009 was a pivotal year for Pope Benedict it was primarily due to this act of mercy that they began plotting against Benedict. They told him not to do it and he smiled and went ahead. God Bless him. He is a Saint. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-11230148146954379882015-03-18T04:20:09.739-07:002015-03-18T04:20:09.739-07:00"Lefebvre died, excommunicated, in schism, ou..."Lefebvre died, excommunicated, in schism, outside the Church"<br /><br />And that will be rectified one day...you and I will not live to see it, but Church time is slow. Lefebvre will be raised to the altar.susanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15742800352247658277noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-35125891299587686712015-03-18T04:10:10.569-07:002015-03-18T04:10:10.569-07:00Sadly, Williamson has led other flourishing religi...Sadly, Williamson has led other flourishing religions communities once loyal to the SSPX into his error. The Dominican driars of Avrille, France were the last remnants of the once great Dominican Order. They were traditional, celebrated the old Mass, and wore the monastic tonsure as all European and Latin American Dominican friars did (except in England, Ireland, and never maintained in the USA). Saint Thomas Aquinas would have felt right at home in Avrille.<br />But they joined Williamson, and thus, it is probably the end of their monastery and branch of the Dominicans. Same for the Benedictine monastery of the Holy Cross in Novo Friborgo, Brazil where Williamson will consecrate his new Bishops.<br />These new Bishops are true Catholic bishops, more Catholic that then present Vatican II army of bishops, but it is unfortunate it had to happen in this way with Williamson.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-25060063465645885972015-03-17T22:30:44.534-07:002015-03-17T22:30:44.534-07:00And Cardinal Mahony is in good standing, able to v...And Cardinal Mahony is in good standing, able to vote for the next Pope.Tancredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16015531337154301560noreply@blogger.com