tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post544290422134798273..comments2024-03-29T00:16:25.097-07:00Comments on The Eponymous Flower: Bishops' Synod: Is Kasper's Star Sinking?Tancredhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16015531337154301560noreply@blogger.comBlogger25125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-34918779820674282002015-03-31T20:42:35.558-07:002015-03-31T20:42:35.558-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Gabrielnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-9689320296398306032015-03-31T19:14:50.058-07:002015-03-31T19:14:50.058-07:00Because you're usually wrong, untopical, malic...Because you're usually wrong, untopical, malicious and leftist.Tancredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16015531337154301560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-80579928937645635712015-03-31T18:37:07.402-07:002015-03-31T18:37:07.402-07:00Why limit the impossibility of dialogue just to th...Why limit the impossibility of dialogue just to the deaf, Tancred. Why not extend it to the frightened, the intolerant and the ones who can't take the heat of a contrary argument? I'm sure there are more who should be blipped out. All those deleted spots say more about you than it does about me, Tancred.Gabrielnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-23327048684787986472015-03-31T17:35:19.573-07:002015-03-31T17:35:19.573-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Gabrielnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-83852324771868758752015-03-31T13:36:43.732-07:002015-03-31T13:36:43.732-07:00This sort of CTA echo chamber stuff might work for...This sort of CTA echo chamber stuff might work for geriatric clergy on their last leg, but it has nothing to do with authentic Christianity, which is why I don't really want Gaybriel's comments any more. <br /><br />You can't dialogue with the deaf.Tancredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16015531337154301560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-82470179594437747002015-03-31T09:13:35.679-07:002015-03-31T09:13:35.679-07:00Gabriel,
What do you exactly mean by collegiality...Gabriel,<br /><br />What do you exactly mean by collegiality? Bishops today have less influence over their diocese than they did before the 2nd Vatican Council. The so called "collegiality" has been implemented with soviet-style Bishop Conferences that make the local bishops nothing more than pawns doing the will of an ineffective and inept bureaucratic machine.<br /><br />Cardinal Kasper doesn't support collegiality, he supports episcopal soviets that, after Vatican II, have made the office of bishop almost completely devoid of pastoral purpose. Kasper isn't restoring anything, he's enlarging a problem that will further lead to the destruction of the office of bishop (in a practical sense).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-2781015461552410102015-03-31T04:49:36.092-07:002015-03-31T04:49:36.092-07:00To say nothing of the steadfast resistance the Chu...To say nothing of the steadfast resistance the Church offered to the State, which is as far removed from anything the Georgetown theology department has to offer as I can imagine.Tancredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16015531337154301560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-8825961624109547202015-03-31T04:47:13.350-07:002015-03-31T04:47:13.350-07:00If modernists are so intent on reinventing the mod...If modernists are so intent on reinventing the modern Church as an ancient Church, why don't they also want to reimpose the Mass of the Catechumens, severe penances, and the meticulous care for doctrine that fairly characterized the early Church as well?Tancredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16015531337154301560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-2230912191213090982015-03-31T04:20:37.251-07:002015-03-31T04:20:37.251-07:00"Scripture and the early to mid patristic tra..."Scripture and the early to mid patristic tradition is weighted in favour of the local Church although there is embedded in pretty well every document in every council a reflection of ambiguity."<br /><br />In the early Church the local church had more independence simply because of slow communications and the time it took to get a ruling from Rome. The local church often had to act on its own but eventually it would fall into line with Rome - the Synod of Whitby is a good example of this happening. We are in a different ball game to-day where there is no excuse for local churches not following Rome on important matters of faith and doctrine.Nicolas Bellordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08063019108964247676noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-878934370155510592015-03-31T03:49:07.332-07:002015-03-31T03:49:07.332-07:00I think Francis in the end will side with Kasper,...I think Francis in the end will side with Kasper, and be loudly y repudiated by many cardinals and bishops. Burke of course, and Caffara and Mueller, but also many others who have remained relatively quiet. There will be such a huge backlash against Francis after this, that he will be timid and quiet for the remainder of his "short" pontificate......which for many is already too long.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-81183922603871396692015-03-31T03:18:30.219-07:002015-03-31T03:18:30.219-07:00The undeniable facts were seen LAST October.The undeniable facts were seen LAST October.susannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-53018710713502320352015-03-30T23:56:02.800-07:002015-03-30T23:56:02.800-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Gabrielnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-38771375245070693032015-03-30T23:53:27.910-07:002015-03-30T23:53:27.910-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Gabrielnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-80456504663068392872015-03-30T23:49:23.981-07:002015-03-30T23:49:23.981-07:00Excuse you Gaybriel, but the facts are in the nove...Excuse you Gaybriel, but the facts are in the novelty of his dissenting attitude. You must be trolling for a traditionalist position.Tancredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16015531337154301560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-50184215261052268332015-03-30T23:12:00.238-07:002015-03-30T23:12:00.238-07:00The undenial facts will be seen in October.The undenial facts will be seen in October.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-21640330786740271322015-03-30T23:07:28.287-07:002015-03-30T23:07:28.287-07:00Show the reader the 'undeniable facts' tha...Show the reader the 'undeniable facts' that Card Kasper and companions have conspired to cause damage to the Church by doing away with core beliefs in the Tradition. <br />Bet you won't because you can't. It's all speculation and assertion and it doesn't count in any legal forum, Church or State.Gabrielnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-47864090547673842482015-03-30T22:48:32.969-07:002015-03-30T22:48:32.969-07:00Conspiracies theories do make great headlines but ...Conspiracies theories do make great headlines but when they are backed by undeniable facts it's sad that people are not intellectually honest enough to accept them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-63680108401123662982015-03-30T21:24:36.173-07:002015-03-30T21:24:36.173-07:00Kasper may have just been a 'shooting star'...Kasper may have just been a 'shooting star'. Lets hope he shot himself in his own foot...I agree, do not trust them. Just pray...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-56353977390314072572015-03-30T21:20:39.749-07:002015-03-30T21:20:39.749-07:00Kasper, in the estimation of Pope Francis has aced...Kasper, in the estimation of Pope Francis has aced Ratzinger/Benedict on the priority of the local Church. That is central to what is happening at the Synod. Just see how twitchy Mueller is right now precisely on this very point. For thirty five years Wojtyla and Ratzinger effectively did not receive the teaching of the Second Vatican Council on Collegiality, the authority of the local Church in matters of liturgy, liturgical translations etc. <br /><br />The balance is being restored.<br /><br />As for Kasper's generous posterior, what has that got to do with the validity of his arguments? If you equate large backside with lack of credibility, think of Thomas Aquinas.Gabrielnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-13712180347806162132015-03-30T20:17:47.809-07:002015-03-30T20:17:47.809-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-14650988848936410852015-03-30T20:10:57.800-07:002015-03-30T20:10:57.800-07:00We've always had merchants of deceit, error an...We've always had merchants of deceit, error and heresy, true.<br /><br />Kasper hasn't out debated anyone, he's simply ignored the Father's and rests his generous posterior on the whims of the contemporary mob.Tancredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16015531337154301560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-50998194681730600772015-03-30T18:25:00.656-07:002015-03-30T18:25:00.656-07:00Where do you go, 6:16 pm, when you find yourself b...Where do you go, 6:16 pm, when you find yourself between this rock and this hard place?<br />Conspiracy theories make great headlines for the tabloids as they are directed at the weak minded.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-51896129382104693482015-03-30T18:16:32.589-07:002015-03-30T18:16:32.589-07:00It's a trap. They are acting as if they are di...It's a trap. They are acting as if they are divided in order to confuse and stall the opposition. Don't trust it. They are cunning.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-17532616825922726672015-03-30T18:11:16.627-07:002015-03-30T18:11:16.627-07:00The Heglian clash is common to the Teutonic mind, ...The Heglian clash is common to the Teutonic mind, even some Poles picked it up. Augustine had his own version of it (the conflict between the Two Cities) and that is reflected in John Paul II's culture wars, Ratzinger's litany of 'isms' so readily taken up by opportunist entrepreneurs like Weigel, Novak, Sam Gregg & the Crisis boys, ++Chaput, ++C. George and the other merchants of the paranoid martyrdom-persecution syndrome.<br /><br />What Kasper has done is to out debate Ratzinger/Benedict in the prior (time wise and theological) nature of the Church: universal or local.<br />Scripture and the early to mid patristic tradition is weighted in favour of the local Church although there is embedded in pretty well every document in every council a reflection of ambiguity. The 'conversation' around the Synod is very much tied in with this ongoing debate. It will never end because the Church has, from the very start, been made up of people who argue.Gabrielnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-15804749646614349262015-03-30T17:31:03.784-07:002015-03-30T17:31:03.784-07:00Kasper's star might be waning (we will see) no...Kasper's star might be waning (we will see) nonetheless his Hegelian 'thesis - antithesis - (leading to) synthesis' stratagem, adopted by Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels, will likely usher in the 'God of Surprises' come October. <br /><br />Man proposes. God disposes. (Thomas a Kempis)Liam Ronanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01376666519733160167noreply@blogger.com