tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post4441245737672778443..comments2024-03-29T07:38:07.393-07:00Comments on The Eponymous Flower: Intemperate Prime Minister Cameron Insults Church Tancredhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16015531337154301560noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-61932671252535876852012-12-21T08:43:04.102-08:002012-12-21T08:43:04.102-08:00Catholics should not be surprised at the PM commen...Catholics should not be surprised at the PM comments. He is after all simply reflecting a majority of the British public attitude regarding Christian doctrine in general and the Catholic Church in particular. This has been ongoing, more or less, in Britain since Henry the Tyrant took the heads of Bishop John Fisher and Thomas More in 1535. Stephen Smythe-Jonesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-72730575742788461282012-12-19T10:35:03.397-08:002012-12-19T10:35:03.397-08:00Apparently you are both on the same side of things...Apparently you are both on the same side of things so please don't let passions and misunderstanding divide you.<br /><br />Peace.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-23160510593166305552012-12-19T08:37:44.752-08:002012-12-19T08:37:44.752-08:001) I had no idea the person who e-mailed me was fr...1) I had no idea the person who e-mailed me was from the US. It was signed "Elizabether, Scottish heart afire." How could I not otherwise assume the person was merely of Scottish descent and not of citizenship?<br /><br />2) You wrote: 'The attached letters are what the Bishop's office sent me, stating "Better that you see his original copy without the intervention of certain journalists subjective slants on his correspondence."'<br /><br />I think it's fair to draw from what you wrote that the press would use the letter to attack the Archbishop.<br /><br />3) Yeah, I need a secretary, I'll pay you $7 an hour if you want to correct speling mistakes and the like.<br /><br />4) Yes, Cameron's statement was made to the Church of England, but the Bishop himself apparently considers this to be an attack on the Church, since I suppose, Cameron's attacks could very easily be leveled against the Catholic Church as the Bishop later writes. I'm not going to quibble with him on that point and take it in the best possible way.<br /><br />5) I had to type from the pdf, because it was impossible to copy it. Again, I've got no typist , and I didn't feel everything in the letter was important, but I felt it was important to point out that the Bishop was being misrepresented and attacked by the anti-Catholic press.Tancredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16015531337154301560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-82250643340740801962012-12-19T08:28:21.281-08:002012-12-19T08:28:21.281-08:00The Bishop includes the Anglican Church with the C...The Bishop includes the Anglican Church with the Church, of course, the implication being that the Catholic Church could also "get with the programme" too. Tancredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16015531337154301560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-5097113719967599552012-12-19T04:11:10.593-08:002012-12-19T04:11:10.593-08:00...and I second Elizabeth's comments above. It......and I second Elizabeth's comments above. It would certainly add to your credibility if you would pay just basic attention to spelling and whatnot.<br />Hilary Jane Margaret Whitehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03771332473693479830noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-60861638228965113922012-12-19T04:08:59.857-08:002012-12-19T04:08:59.857-08:00One of the reasons that the press covered only sho...One of the reasons that the press covered only short exerpts was that the full text was not made public. After calling around trying to get a full copy, I was reduced to using the bits used by the Scotsman. <br /><br />Might have been helpful if the bishop had put it on the website of the diocese and issued a media release. Hilary Jane Margaret Whitehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03771332473693479830noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-92065859433285418312012-12-19T03:55:18.256-08:002012-12-19T03:55:18.256-08:00@Early Morning Reader: I am the one who received ...@Early Morning Reader: I am the one who received these letters from Bishop Devine's office in Scotland and forwarded the .pdf copies to Eponymous Flower and other Catholic blogs. <br /><br />In answer to your question, David Cameron made that regrettable statement - "get with the programme" - to the Church of England, the Anglicans. Cameron DID NOT say that to the Catholic Church or to Bishop Devine. <br /><br />I love reading Eponymous Flower but am kind of astonished at the errors/ommisions in the relaying of what I sent.Elizabethnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-22464903314623100092012-12-19T03:44:28.434-08:002012-12-19T03:44:28.434-08:00I was the reader that forwarded the letters to you...I was the reader that forwarded the letters to you ~ I'm from the United States, not Scotland. (Bishop Devine is a Scottish Bishop.) <br /><br />And the Diocesan Centre that sent these letters to me were who stated: "Better that you see his original copy without the intervention of certain journalists subjective slants on his correspondence." <br /><br />The following is my favorite part of the letter ~ that you omitted: <br /><br />"So far as the Roman Catholic Church, whose Catholic adherents -the largest minority (approx. 6 million) in the UK - the one faith group not provided for in law - is concerned, you are out of your depth. We will take no finger-prodding lectures from anyone or any group devoid of moral competence. I suspect it is only a matter of time before you go one step further and outlaw the teaching of Christian doctrine on sexual morality on the grounds of discrimination."<br /><br />Thank you.<br /><br />Elizabethnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-31759265696866195452012-12-19T03:26:29.863-08:002012-12-19T03:26:29.863-08:00The Catholic Bishop who wrote this letter to David...The Catholic Bishop who wrote this letter to David Cameron is Bishop Devine (not Devon). Elizabethnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-75728587800162248732012-12-19T01:57:53.700-08:002012-12-19T01:57:53.700-08:00I'm confused here. Is this about the "Chu...I'm confused here. Is this about the "Church of England" or the Catholic Church? Since this bishop is quoting the pope I figure he might be Catholic but not necessarily since there was nothing in the quote that was particularly Catholic.<br /><br /><br /><br />Why oh why would a right be described as "sacred" yet the human is not sacred but merely has "dignity"? What rubbish!Early morning readernoreply@blogger.com