tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post3444339580303374332..comments2024-03-29T00:16:25.097-07:00Comments on The Eponymous Flower: Leftist Ex-Mayor of Venice: "I Expect More From the Pope Than From a Renzi or Merkel"Tancredhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16015531337154301560noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-63374756275011236312014-08-25T14:41:38.116-07:002014-08-25T14:41:38.116-07:00As fellow Abrahamic religions, Judaism and Islam a...As fellow Abrahamic religions, Judaism and Islam are to be considered partners with Christianity, no? Isn't this the practical message of all the "gestures" and "dialogue" that reveal the weak character of the post-V2 Church?The Bearhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01710209668580303074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-32768281674989889792014-08-25T13:20:54.125-07:002014-08-25T13:20:54.125-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-33429522330630969782014-08-25T13:04:52.972-07:002014-08-25T13:04:52.972-07:00I don't have time to argue with hostile niggli...I don't have time to argue with hostile niggling people like you.Tancredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16015531337154301560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-54047470554569243422014-08-25T12:20:33.180-07:002014-08-25T12:20:33.180-07:00You're wasting my time and yours.You're wasting my time and yours.Tancredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16015531337154301560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-70756439636066268922014-08-25T11:06:45.532-07:002014-08-25T11:06:45.532-07:00 You initially defended my pointing out of your er... You initially defended my pointing out of your errors on the basis of what was allegedly written in the article.<br /><br />Now you say you were responding to the OP.<br /><br />Either way there is no reference anywhere to the pope being<br /> credited with making an unequivocal condemnation of Islam.<br /><br />Popes in the past condemned false religions.<br />This is correct.<br /><br />Popes nowadays have decided that blanket condemnations of false religions are futile and counterproductive.<br /><br />Perhaps they are correct.<br /><br />Certainly I see no harm in seeking out what may be commonalities between different religions.<br /><br />The harm I see is in common worship by catholics with non catholics at any type of religious ceremony.<br /><br /> I draw the line at that since it must needs lead to indifferentism and a diminished view by catholics of their own religion.<br /><br />Pope John Paul 2, Pope Benedict and the current Pope have in my view by participating in ecumenical services with non catholics created an intellectual climate that is relativistic<br />in nature.<br />Ie catholics think ah well sure our own religion is good but hey maybe we can learn something from the non catholic religion.<br />The logic is that there may be deficiencies in their own religion.<br /><br />The current and previous two popes again in my view seem to have not condemned such outlooks and thereby have condoned such outlooks.<br /><br />In terms of how non catholics view catholics they think hey those catholics are not so sure of what they believe.<br />Maybe their claim to being the one true religion is not so solid after all.<br /><br />This climate abounds now within many areas of the catholic church and is in my view the primary reason for the decline in priestly vocations and educational establishments.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-9184033047879117612014-08-25T09:53:02.947-07:002014-08-25T09:53:02.947-07:00I didn't allege the article did that. I was co...I didn't allege the article did that. I was commenting to the OP by the aptly named Savanarola.<br /><br />Popes have unequivocally condemned false religions.Tancredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16015531337154301560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-92001872462780454772014-08-25T08:34:33.997-07:002014-08-25T08:34:33.997-07:00But you alleged that the article credited the pope...But you alleged that the article credited the pope with making unequivocal condemnation of Islam.<br /><br />Diplomatically no pope can unequivocally condemn another major world religion.<br />The farthest he can go is to <br /><br />a] point out the errors in any such religion.<br />b] make exhortations that the religious rights of Christians <br /> are respected<br />c] make exhortations to earthly military powers to protect the lives of christians where they are being physically persecuted.<br />d] make exhortations to said militay powers to utilize restraint in the conduct of their operations<br /><br />As far as I know the current Pope has done all these things in relation to the persecution of Christians in Iraq and Syria..<br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-63456230683224620152014-08-25T08:12:37.443-07:002014-08-25T08:12:37.443-07:00Of course he doesn't, he's actually critic...Of course he doesn't, he's actually criticized Benedict in the past for his Regensberg speech.<br /><br />This Pope will offer no condemnations of Islam, because it's doubtful that he sees it as a false religion, based in many statements he's been making over the last year about that topic. <br /><br />I prefer to take him at his word.Tancredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16015531337154301560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-91674084340774300992014-08-25T08:04:29.208-07:002014-08-25T08:04:29.208-07:00I did read and comprehend the article.
However , ...I did read and comprehend the article.<br /><br />However , you alleged at Tancred Aug 25th at 6-01am the following :<br /><br /> "I think it's absurdly far fetched to credit this Pope with making an unequivocal condemnation of Islam in defense of Catholics who are being murdered."<br /><br />The article does not credit the Pope with making any such unequivocal condemnation.<br />Quite the reverse in fact.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-85523500422292273452014-08-25T07:49:47.909-07:002014-08-25T07:49:47.909-07:00Did you not read or comprehend the article? Pope F...Did you not read or comprehend the article? Pope Francis didn't get around to making a statement about this till late, and when he did, gave an ambiguous statement that ruled out the use of force.<br /><br />Tancredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16015531337154301560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-18265767861805687772014-08-25T07:37:41.675-07:002014-08-25T07:37:41.675-07:00Where is the evidence for this allegation?Where is the evidence for this allegation?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-18110393687268013652014-08-25T06:03:04.266-07:002014-08-25T06:03:04.266-07:00Alas, the Pope Francis is an islamophile who belie...Alas, the Pope Francis is an islamophile who believes that a "dialogue" (blah-blah-blah etc...) is possible with Islam.<br />See : http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2014/08/libero-quotidiano-when-bergoglio.htmljachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17650477732170495698noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-47774595799850187262014-08-25T06:01:42.174-07:002014-08-25T06:01:42.174-07:00I think it's absurdly far fetched to credit th...I think it's absurdly far fetched to credit this Pope with making an unequivocal condemnation of Islam in defense of Catholics who are being murdered.Tancredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16015531337154301560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-57846519348526260902014-08-25T04:05:26.725-07:002014-08-25T04:05:26.725-07:00Cacciari's critique seems like far too clever ...Cacciari's critique seems like far too clever nit-picking. Whether or not a proposed course of action fits the abstract theology of a just war is surely a very secondary consideration to helping people who are suffering now. To do that practicalities must be considered, and no doubt the Pope like many others feels that getting the United Nations involved may be the best option. To say that this is bowing to secularisation and abandoning Catholic theology is absurdly far-fetched. Savonarolahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12547523172291007631noreply@blogger.com