tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post3305478906624969663..comments2024-03-28T00:16:46.394-07:00Comments on The Eponymous Flower: The Vatican II Revolution Reexamined Tancredhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16015531337154301560noreply@blogger.comBlogger30125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-61711801090865907312020-01-04T09:31:06.305-08:002020-01-04T09:31:06.305-08:00http://drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=50&ch=19&...http://drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=50&ch=19&l=34-34&q=1#x<br /><br />"[34] But one of the soldiers with a spear opened his side, and immediately there came out blood and water."<br />[John 19:34]<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-72245478558486603712020-01-04T09:20:08.808-08:002020-01-04T09:20:08.808-08:00It is important to note that The Good Thief, who, ...It is important to note that The Good Thief, who, at the hour of his death, recognized Christ, in all His Glory, came late to The Fold, Through Christ, In The Unity Of The Holy Ghost. <br /><br />At the hour of his death, The Good Thief, became a member of Christ’s One, Holy, Catholic, And Apostolic Church, outside of which, there is no Salvation, due to The Unity Of The Holy Ghost.<br /><br />No Greater Love Is There Than This- To Desire Salvation For One’s Beloved.<br />“Love one another as I Have Loved you.” -Jesus The Christ<br /><br />“It is not possible to have Sacramental Communion without Ecclesial Communion”, due to The Unity Of The Holy Ghost, For It is “Through Christ, With Christ, And In Christ, Through The Unity Of The Holy Ghost, that Holy Mother Church exists.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-4454101099175887012019-05-30T05:43:15.397-07:002019-05-30T05:43:15.397-07:00MAY 30, 2019
UR 3 does not contradict the passage ...MAY 30, 2019<br />UR 3 does not contradict the passage from Mystici Corporis which you have quoted. Would you like to comment ? If UR 3 is not an exception to EENS then there is no Vatican Council II revolution in the text of the Council ?<br />https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/05/ur-3-does-not-contradict-passage-from.htmlCatholic Missionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06025127342963192930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-77697003219571619612019-05-30T00:36:51.437-07:002019-05-30T00:36:51.437-07:00Peter W.--
You personally demonstrate what I'...Peter W.--<br /><br />You personally demonstrate what I'm saying in your lack of perception and uncivil and uncharitable remarks. You are a perfect example of someone spiritually and mentally weakened by our Portestantized and very materialistic Church. Shame on you. May God help and forgive you.<br /><br />Michael Dowdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16650782589323136700noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-62161087796318136652019-05-29T22:04:29.674-07:002019-05-29T22:04:29.674-07:00M. Dowd, this just goes to demonstrate beyond any ...M. Dowd, this just goes to demonstrate beyond any doubt what a lazy, sloppy thinker you are. The Pew Research report in no ways supports what you claim in your post above. It says nothing about the order of the Catholic Church being destroyed nor does it say anything about the church becoming Protestant, Communist or atheist. What is does emphasise is that people have often quite different opinions about contemporary issues. <br />You need to do better if you want to claim any kind of credibility. Until you do, you deserved to be regarded as the dullard and dunderhead that you clearly are.Peter Wnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-83770726928010169382019-05-29T21:19:09.497-07:002019-05-29T21:19:09.497-07:00Peter W emoted.....
"Name the 'surve...Peter W emoted.....<br /><br /> "Name the 'surveys' and their provenance. And, whose 'common sense."<br /><br />https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/09/02/key-findings-about-american-catholics/<br /><br />Michael Dowdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16650782589323136700noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-81925028369730358012019-05-29T19:33:40.164-07:002019-05-29T19:33:40.164-07:00Some people are just evil.Some people are just evil.Tancredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16015531337154301560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-73468356151880344922019-05-29T18:07:27.519-07:002019-05-29T18:07:27.519-07:00Some people just won't listen to reason. Some...Some people just won't listen to reason. Some things are common sense for believers, but for non-believers, it is impossible for them to believe. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-44278032956537760022019-05-29T18:04:48.631-07:002019-05-29T18:04:48.631-07:00Tancred, call me a lazy, partisan slob, but Peter ...Tancred, call me a lazy, partisan slob, but Peter W seems not to have much charity and certainly not any orthodoxy. Of course, it is your call... Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-56272573409009317172019-05-29T14:06:11.224-07:002019-05-29T14:06:11.224-07:00Name the 'surveys' and their provenance. A...Name the 'surveys' and their provenance. And, whose 'common sense.' Yours is clearly 'common' but certainly not 'sense' as evidenced by your compulsive rabbiting on at The Remnant, Crisis mag etc etc.Peter Wnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-34193317296513845292019-05-29T05:50:50.217-07:002019-05-29T05:50:50.217-07:00
Peter Watso--
Vatican II must be destroyed in or...<br />Peter Watso--<br /><br />Vatican II must be destroyed in order for the Church to survive. The indent of Vatican II was to Protantize the Church. According surveys and plain common sense it has accomplished its mission. Next is to make the Church Communist and atheist.Michael Dowdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16650782589323136700noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-91392107753791619992019-05-29T04:37:10.458-07:002019-05-29T04:37:10.458-07:00David Martin,
UR 3 does not contradict the passage...David Martin,<br />UR 3 does not contradict the passage from Mystici Corporis which you have quoted. Would you like to comment ? <br /> If UR 3 is not an exception to EENS then there is no Vatican Council II revolution in the text of the Council ?<br />-Lionel<br /><br />The differences that exist in varying degrees between them [separated brethren] and the Catholic Church … do indeed create many obstacles … But even in spite of them it remains true that all who have been justified by faith in Baptism are members of Christ's body. [UR-3]<br /><br />This contradicts the encyclical letter of Pope Pius XII which dogmatically defined that only those who profess the One True Faith are included as members of Christ’s Church.<br />Only those are to be included as members of the Church who have been baptized and profess the true faith, and who have not been so unfortunate as to separate themselves from the unity of the Body, or been excluded by legitimate authority for grave faults committed. (Pope Pius XII, Mystici Corporis, 1943)Catholic Missionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06025127342963192930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-92017540767097760472019-05-29T04:19:32.677-07:002019-05-29T04:19:32.677-07:00This is classic modernism, of course, but now we’r...This is classic modernism, of course, but now we’re told it’s part of the faith, an integral part of the Magisterium that’s gone before, and if you don’t go along with it, even though you follow your conscience, you’re less than human, a heretic!<br /><br />“You Alt Trads were under the impression that Doctrine couldn’t be exploited for a sinister political agenda that people are conditioned and coerced to accept and at the same time are tricked to believe they’ve had a say. All along you thought the law of non-contradiction and your own ability to make rational judgements were what mattered when it is now our faith in an evolution past these<br />superstitions of the past have brought a new order into being throughout the world! Muahahahah! “<br /><br />All joking aside, nowadays Catholics are being subjected not to an aristocracy, but a tyranny of professional Catholics and clergy who are conspiring to make a church in the image of the UN and the International Communist Party for an agenda which has nothing to do with Christ or the mission He assigned to his successors. We’re told we’ve evolved beyond that, and if you’ve come to different conclusions, which is unavoidable for a free man, then they tell you you’re a spiritual child, a retrograde, a Pharisee, reactionary, integralist or a “trad”. They’ll call you all sorts of names and try to get you to turn your backs on the faith handed to us by our fathers. Tancredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16015531337154301560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-63999070274384866712019-05-28T15:23:04.907-07:002019-05-28T15:23:04.907-07:00M. Dowd, why should I access a website that was fo...M. Dowd, why should I access a website that was founded to self-validate its own first premise? If you have read the official statements of all the Popes since Vatican II in the ACTA, you may have seen the explicit statements of John Paul II and Benedict XVI who have made it very clear that Vatican II is not only in organic unity with all the preceding Tradition but actually contains the entire Tradition it its magisterium, safe guards it and transmits it to the entire Church. <br />The Onus of proof is on you to demonstrate apodictically that this is not so. Bet you won't because you can't. <br />Yes, the Second Vatican Ecumenical Council has had a profound impact not only on the Church but on the world as well and so it should. So did the mystery of the Incarnation that occasioned Christological debates and conflicts that are still going on. It is the duty of the Church to make itself and its magisterium comprehensible to people of all ages. This means re-expression in different language and symbols. Anselm once wrote that the Faith should be understood as 'Faith seeking understanding.'<br />What has cause you and your fellow Alt Trads discomfort is the 'seeking' part. You were/are under the impression that every doctrine has been defined once for all in formulaic language that does not allow for alteration of any kind.<br />But, none of this is the real gripe for you. It's about politics and the enormous social shifts that have taken place since the high Middle Ages in particular. These movements on the social and political front have led to the democratization and education of vast numbers of people who have finally demanded a say in their futures. When monarchies, aristocracies and plutocracies resisted, they were 'put aside.' That's the source of your abiding discontent, not Vatican II. Peter Watsonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-5089664590676291502019-05-28T15:18:53.238-07:002019-05-28T15:18:53.238-07:00He gets destroyed every once in a while, but you’r...He gets destroyed every once in a while, but you’re right, he is a very indolent and vindictive person. I keep hoping that the exchanges will be fruitful, at least.Tancredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16015531337154301560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-71300495171493456872019-05-28T13:05:46.769-07:002019-05-28T13:05:46.769-07:00Tancred, Peter W does not fit here. I don't l...Tancred, Peter W does not fit here. I don't like to play the mob, but why is he still here? Just a thought. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-64776260651696410892019-05-28T07:59:43.455-07:002019-05-28T07:59:43.455-07:00Smear? McCarthy was right.Smear? McCarthy was right.Tancredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16015531337154301560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-71599256145580425832019-05-28T07:50:47.084-07:002019-05-28T07:50:47.084-07:00Peter W.
Please provides a few reasons for why ...Peter W. <br /><br />Please provides a few reasons for why you think Vatican II has been helpful to the Church, not a McCarthyite smear as you did.<br /><br />Also, please access Novus Ordo Watch website for comprehensive information about the impact of Vatican II on the entire Church.Michael Dowdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16650782589323136700noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-55075238306707219342019-05-28T05:28:48.520-07:002019-05-28T05:28:48.520-07:00More namecalling from Gaybrielle, just seething wi...More namecalling from Gaybrielle, just seething with resentment and venom?Tancredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16015531337154301560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-71704128215831217182019-05-28T04:45:10.293-07:002019-05-28T04:45:10.293-07:00Here is a link from a traditionalist forum.They ar...<br />Here is a link from a traditionalist forum.They are interpreting the baptism of desire as being literal cases known in the present times.<br /><br />https://www.suscipedomine.com/forum/index.php?topic=21825.135<br /><br />Then read the popes and saints and they assume that they too over the centuries are referring to a baptism of desire which refers to personally known people saved outside the Church.<br />But there never were literal cases of the baptism of desire, past or present, known to us humans.<br />In the same way, they would misinterpret Vatican Council II.<br /><br />For instance David Martin mentions Unitatis Redintegratio 3 and posits it as an exception to a passage in Mystici Corporis.<br />It is not an exception since it refers to a hypothetical case only in 2019. It will always be theoretical, only.<br /> <br />The differences that exist in varying degrees between them [separated brethren] and the Catholic Church … do indeed create many obstacles … But even in spite of them it remains true that all who have been justified by faith in Baptism are members of Christ's body. [UR-3] <br /><br />This contradicts the encyclical letter of Pope Pius XII which dogmatically defined that only those who profess the One True Faith are included as members of Christ’s Church. <br />Only those are to be included as members of the Church who have been baptized and profess the true faith, and who have not been so unfortunate as to separate themselves from the unity of the Body, or been excluded by legitimate authority for grave faults committed. (Pope Pius XII, Mystici Corporis, 1943)<br /><br />There are no exceptions to this passage in Mystici Corporis mentioned in the Bible for me.<br />Since my reasoning is not irrational.-Lionel Andrades<br />Catholic Missionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06025127342963192930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-44898350279690798332019-05-28T04:16:20.347-07:002019-05-28T04:16:20.347-07:00You're talking utter rubbish Dowd. You are loc...You're talking utter rubbish Dowd. You are locked permanently into a world of nihilism and despair that the Alt Trads has made its natural home when they retreated into themselves and far away from the sensus fidei fidelium.<br />Peter Wnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-68725490084643380772019-05-28T03:41:35.158-07:002019-05-28T03:41:35.158-07:00Thanks David. Great article. Vatican II was a ca...Thanks David. Great article. Vatican II was a catastrophe for the Church and must be abrogated in its entirety. It is effectively a new religion designed to undermine belief in Christ and His mission. Vatican II is Masonic, Protestant and Communistic intended to put an end to the Catholic Church and help usher in the New World Order and become a One World Religion. Michael Dowdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16650782589323136700noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-71098411355183138622019-05-28T02:47:07.276-07:002019-05-28T02:47:07.276-07:00
The above report is a false interpretation of Vat...<br />The above report is a false interpretation of Vatican Council II. It is the official liberal interpretation.Traditionalists and conservative Catholics must discard it.<br />May 17, 2019<br />When the traditionalists and conservatives interpret Vatican Council II without Cushingism then the Council will be ecclesiocentric and not a rupture with Tradition and they can they accept it.<br /><br />https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/05/when-traditionalists-and-conservatives.htmlCatholic Missionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06025127342963192930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-50453779537125549232019-05-28T02:33:51.304-07:002019-05-28T02:33:51.304-07:00There can be only ONE interpretation of Vatican Co...There can be only ONE interpretation of Vatican Council II. There can only be ONE rational interpretation of Vatican Council II. The writer above is using the irrational model. This is indicated when he finds the text in the Council supporting and rejecting extra ecclesiam nulla salus.He says it is for and against.<br /><br />There is Vatican Council II Feeneyite and Vatican Council II Cushingite. He has chosen the irrational Cushingite model.<br /><br />If he switches to Vatican Council II ( Feeneyite) then UR 3, LG 16, GS 22 etc cannot be objective exceptiions to EENS in 2019.The Council becomes Feeneyite.<br /><br />On my blog there are many posts on this subject.<br />Here are some of the relevant links found on the right hand bar of the blog Eucharist and Mission(Lionel's Blog)<br /><br /><br />Vatian Council II Feeneyite (1)<br /><br />Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church indicate all non Catholics and non Christians who have died are in Hell. : no denial from the Vatican (2)<br />Vatican - SSPX Reconciliation (9)<br />Vatican -SSPX doctrinal talks (9)<br /><br />Vatican Council (Feeneyite) (1)<br /><br />Vatican Council has passages which support EENS and no passages which contradict EENS (1)<br />Vatican Council I (4)<br /><br />Vatican Council II ( Feeneyite) (4)<br />Vatican Council II ( premise-free) (1)<br /><br />Vatican Council II (Cushingite) (8)<br />Vatican Council II (Feeenyite) (6)<br />Vatican Council II (Feeneyism) (1)<br />Vatican Council II (Feeneyite) (2)<br />Vatican Council II (Feeneyite) in harmony with EENS(Feeneyite) (2)<br />Vatican Council II (Feeneyite) with the Cushingite passages pruned (3)<br />Vatican Council II (Graphics) (1)<br />Vatican Council II (premise-free) (9)<br />Vatican Council II agrees with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (3)<br />Vatican Council II and EENS (2)<br />Vatican Council II and other magisterial documents do not contradict Tradition (1)<br />Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church indicate all non Catholics and non Christians who have died are in Hell. : no denial from the Vatican (1)<br />Vatican Council II but interpreted with two different theologies (2)<br /><br />Vatican Council II Cushigite (1)<br />Vatican Council II Cushingite (4)<br /><br />Vatican Council II does not conradict the Syllabus of Errors (2)<br />Vatican Council II does not contradict extra ecclesiam nulla salus irrespective of your opinion on Fr.Leonard Feeney (2)<br />Vatican Council II Feeneyite (8)<br /><br />Vatican Council II has passages which support EENS and no passage which contradicts EENS (Graphics) (1)<br />Vatican Council II has to be read carefully.Be aware of the error in the text which has come from 1949-Boston. (1)<br />Vatican Council II II (1)<br />Vatican Council II in harmony with EENS( Feeneyite) (1)<br /><br />Vatican Council II is deceptive (1)<br />Vatican Council II is dogmatic and not just pastoral. Franciscan Friar (1)<br />Vatican Council II is Feeneyite (13)<br />Vatican Council II is Feeneyite ( Graphics) (2)<br />Vatican Council II is Feeneyite for me. (2)<br /><br />Vatican Council II is in harmony with Pope Boniface VIII (1)<br />Vatican Council II is not a rupture with an ecumenism of return (1)<br />Vatican Council II is not a rupture with the teachings on the Social Reign of Christ the King over all political legislation (1)<br />Vatican Council II is not a rupture with Tradition (5)<br />Vatican Council II is not ambigous (2)<br />Vatican Council II is not an exception to the dogma extra ecclesia nulla salus(EENS) as Fr. Leonard Feeney understood it. (1)<br />Vatican Council II is not how Christopher Ferrara and Roberto dei Mattei interpret it (1)<br />Vatican Council II is traditional (3)<br />Vatican Council II Magisterial (1)<br /><br />Vatican Council II not a development with EENS according to the missionaries of the 16th century (1)<br /><br />Vatican Council II Reinterpreted (2)<br />Vatican Council II riddled with philosphical error : the two popes in principle support an objective error in the Council-text (4)<br />VATICAN COUNCIL II SAYS (6)<br /><br />VATICAN COUNCIL SAYS (1) <br /> <br />-Lionel AndradesCatholic Missionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06025127342963192930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-63039104928528134562019-05-27T19:17:21.697-07:002019-05-27T19:17:21.697-07:00You're in the same league.You're in the same league. Tancredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16015531337154301560noreply@blogger.com