tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post3005715415450950140..comments2024-03-29T00:16:25.097-07:00Comments on The Eponymous Flower: Pope Francis: Rebel University of Peru Recognized Unilaterally as "Papal" and "Catholic"Tancredhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16015531337154301560noreply@blogger.comBlogger31125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-649158364794863262016-08-18T21:04:04.240-07:002016-08-18T21:04:04.240-07:00Tancred, Gaystapo/Mouthwillriseagain will not read...Tancred, Gaystapo/Mouthwillriseagain will not read whatever sources you cite and couldn't care less about them because he starts with bad premises then builds a "logical" argument that in his mind supports his assertions. Really, as time has shown, his premises are 1) Communism is as good as free markets, if not better; 2) gay is as good as straight, if not better, and 3) all other religions and theologies are the equal of the True Faith, if not better. Barnumnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-6266089248107754672016-08-18T20:51:10.086-07:002016-08-18T20:51:10.086-07:00Mouthwillriseagain is Mouthisdisingenuousagain. Ga...Mouthwillriseagain is Mouthisdisingenuousagain. Gaystavo leads off "Cipriani Thorne like a good Opus Dei functionary..." That was not insulting? You lads in the religious part of the Commie hive really need to grow up. You lads don't believe in life after death, and I can't see what the benefit of your wishing away reality is. Misery does loves company, as you demonstrate.Barnumnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-56719101094836906812016-08-18T20:16:57.946-07:002016-08-18T20:16:57.946-07:00And once again, what is your point in this Gustav?...And once again, what is your point in this Gustav? Why go at this endlessly? What exactly do you think you are accomplishing?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-6532092982752688552016-08-18T20:13:02.714-07:002016-08-18T20:13:02.714-07:00Having some anon knuckle cracker come to your defe...Having some anon knuckle cracker come to your defence and deleting posts indicate that you lack confidence in yourself and a tacit admission that you are incapable of sustaining a rational argument. All you have achieved in this thread is to support someone’s dodgy opinion piece, laced with assertions and broad claims but you are not prepared even to entertain the thought that claims without the backing of provable fact. The more this is pointed out, the more you trot out the same old gossipy chestnuts which have nothing to do with what is perhaps the source of your underlying discontent. It is not the post Vatican II Church that appals you, it’s something well before that happened. And fancy the monarchist betting the crown jewels on a couple of discredited old Commie hacks.Gustavonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-75925298045939564592016-08-18T19:12:13.062-07:002016-08-18T19:12:13.062-07:00I have more trust for Lt. Gen Ian Pacepa's acc...I have more trust for Lt. Gen Ian Pacepa's account, which is backed by sensitive Soviet documentation than I do a creepy anonymous commenter who will post literally dozens of times over an hour period something I've deleted.<br /><br />You're not a worthwhile contributor to this or any other forum, Gaystapo, and I will happily delete every bit of modernist venom you try to post here. Clearly there are better uses of my time, so I'll just moderate the forum from now on.Tancredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16015531337154301560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-42177254752234373922016-08-18T18:24:29.118-07:002016-08-18T18:24:29.118-07:00Did you not get the point Gustav? If you don't...Did you not get the point Gustav? If you don't trust the factual accuracy of a report then leave, stop endlessly forcing arguments with Tancred. You use personal insults as much as anyone, by the way. Quit posting disagreements for the sake of disagreement, which is what we all know you're doing. This obviously isn't the blog for you, so leave it in peace and go elsewhere.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-23162915182039875142016-08-18T17:54:28.737-07:002016-08-18T17:54:28.737-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Gustavonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-40013099513857371252016-08-18T07:35:45.043-07:002016-08-18T07:35:45.043-07:00South and Gaystavo, if you don't agree or don&...South and Gaystavo, if you don't agree or don't like the commenters on this site, then LEAVE. No one's forcing you to read here, and all you do is waste our time. Go comment in Patheos. It's clear that you will never agree with Tancred and the rest of us, so there's no point in both sides arguing. Cut it out. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-40842493948571227782016-08-18T07:10:28.622-07:002016-08-18T07:10:28.622-07:00In case anyone is still interested:
Liberation th...In case anyone is still interested:<br /><br />Liberation theology has been generally understood to be a marriage of Marxism and Christianity. What has not been understood is that it was not the product of Christians who pursued Communism, but of Communists who pursued Christians. I described the birth of liberation theology in my book Disinformation, co-authored with Professor Ronald Rychlak. Its genesis was part of a highly classified Party/State Disinformation Program, formally approved in 1960 by KGB chairman Aleksandr Shelepin and Politburo member Aleksei Kirichenko, then the second in the party hierarchy after Nikita Khrushchev.<br /><br />Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/417383/secret-roots-liberation-theology-ion-mihai-pacepaTancredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16015531337154301560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-70352076286148017692016-08-18T06:57:57.855-07:002016-08-18T06:57:57.855-07:00It's well-established that the Soviet Union an...It's well-established that the Soviet Union and Communist cells were behind Liberation Theology. If it quacks, it's a dirty Commie duck.<br /><br />You've probably never heard of Bella Dodd.Tancredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16015531337154301560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-6886836659152498472016-08-18T06:54:07.543-07:002016-08-18T06:54:07.543-07:00Like Gaystapo, you don't have a lot to say, bu...Like Gaystapo, you don't have a lot to say, but you do simper, pout and fume.Tancredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16015531337154301560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-20040646844194739022016-08-18T06:50:58.415-07:002016-08-18T06:50:58.415-07:00John Allen is a leftist lowlife just like you.John Allen is a leftist lowlife just like you.Tancredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16015531337154301560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-92126175473025597732016-08-18T04:52:04.521-07:002016-08-18T04:52:04.521-07:00Amen Gustavo. I noticed on this site that wheneve...Amen Gustavo. I noticed on this site that whenever you disagree with the old time posters, the personal attacks come out. "John Allen is almost as dubious as you are" is an example. There was no need for a personal attack. Why not just offer an opposing argument!southwillriseagainhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07184454753981532261noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-82342092623368642032016-08-18T04:47:05.232-07:002016-08-18T04:47:05.232-07:00Yep, insult anyone who you don't agree with. ...Yep, insult anyone who you don't agree with. Compare him to a dog. Real Christian of you.southwillriseagainhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07184454753981532261noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-74709981749730283342016-08-18T04:44:48.296-07:002016-08-18T04:44:48.296-07:00So rather than offer proof, or at least a link, yo...So rather than offer proof, or at least a link, you blow him off? Not an intelligent response. You didn't have to insult him. You could have offered some proof of your allegation re: the KGB.southwillriseagainhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07184454753981532261noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-75239942579064329242016-08-18T03:47:18.779-07:002016-08-18T03:47:18.779-07:00You need to learn to find other means of entertain...You need to learn to find other means of entertainment than wasting my time, Gaystapo.Tancredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16015531337154301560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-78203073307124598832016-08-18T03:21:35.946-07:002016-08-18T03:21:35.946-07:00You need to learn the difference between unsubstan...You need to learn the difference between unsubstantiated allegations, assertions, ambit claims and reasoned, fact based argument. The inability of many on this site, often yourself included, greatly weakens the credibility of what is written.Gustavonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-43959220054611513962016-08-18T03:02:48.553-07:002016-08-18T03:02:48.553-07:00John Allen is almost as dubious as you are.
And t...John Allen is almost as dubious as you are.<br /><br />And the infiltration and manipulation of "Peace Movements" and "Civil Rights" initiatives such as Libtard Theology is well documented.Tancredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16015531337154301560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-86621373455338472452016-08-18T02:56:20.172-07:002016-08-18T02:56:20.172-07:00Tancred, you confuse the avowed intention of intel...Tancred, you confuse the avowed intention of intelligence services such as the KGB in running interference operations such as supporting 'liberation; movements' around the world actually running them. It happens all the time.<br />Ion Mihai Pacepa is making an ambit claim which is not supported by the facts.<br />I suggest you read John Allen, "Did the KGB 'create' Latin America's Liberation Theology?" Crux, May 5, 2015.<br />Gustavonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-14384691151875395402016-08-18T01:41:53.582-07:002016-08-18T01:41:53.582-07:00Yep, Gutierrez OP wasn't on the official calen...Yep, Gutierrez OP wasn't on the official calendar and met only briefly with Bergoglio. He insulted one of Bergoglio's favorite married bishops. <br /><br />From the article you ignored by spectator:<br /><br />I was not involved in the creation of Liberation Theology per se. From Sakharovsky I learned, however, that in 1968 the KGB-created Christian Peace Conference, supported by the world-wide World Peace Council, was able to manoeuvre a group of leftist South American bishops into holding a Conference of Latin American Bishops at Medellin, Colombia. The Conference’s official task was to ameliorate poverty. Its undeclared goal was to recognise a new religious movement encouraging the poor to rebel against the ‘institutionalised violence of poverty’, and to recommend the new movement to the World Council of Churches for official approval.<br />The Medellin Conference achieved both goals. It also bought the KGB-born name ‘Liberation Theology’.<br />Tancredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16015531337154301560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-85434903601735347502016-08-17T23:13:44.345-07:002016-08-17T23:13:44.345-07:00"Medellin was largely coopted an funded by th..."Medellin was largely coopted an funded by the KGB"<br />How much is 'largely coopted' and can you prove the allegation anyway?Gustavonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-16246491584361102982016-08-17T23:06:53.441-07:002016-08-17T23:06:53.441-07:00Gustabriel yips again, barking for an Ex Corde Ill...Gustabriel yips again, barking for an Ex Corde Illegitimi.Barnumnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-38558841431993934212016-08-17T22:54:54.971-07:002016-08-17T22:54:54.971-07:00Post script: Tradition in Action has a phot of Pop...Post script: Tradition in Action has a phot of Pope Francis warmly greeting Fr Gutierrez OP on November 22, 2014 at the IV National Missionary Congress of Italy held in Rome.<br />It does not appear that the Pope is snubbing Gutierrez.Gustavonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-62634159693852806062016-08-17T22:47:53.002-07:002016-08-17T22:47:53.002-07:00Medellin was largely coopted and funded by the KGB...Medellin was largely coopted and funded by the KGB.Tancredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16015531337154301560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-57063662017123620372016-08-17T22:28:53.310-07:002016-08-17T22:28:53.310-07:00Quoting two opinion pieces does not amount to enou...Quoting two opinion pieces does not amount to enough evidence to hang a person except in Nth Korea perhaps.<br />You seem to have missed the part where Francis warmly welcomed Fr Gutierrez OP in Rome within the last year.<br />And now for Card Mueller's 'infatuation with Marxism'.....?Gustavonoreply@blogger.com