tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post1240694736069869606..comments2024-03-29T00:16:25.097-07:00Comments on The Eponymous Flower: The Rebirth of Scouting?Tancredhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16015531337154301560noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-30248593066788169342013-06-18T17:39:18.578-07:002013-06-18T17:39:18.578-07:00Getting my names mixed up--Getting my names mixed up--conurenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-36513849366008670962013-06-18T17:32:29.149-07:002013-06-18T17:32:29.149-07:00Meant 'getting a little soft around the edges....Meant 'getting a little soft around the edges...' beaglenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-52252697337537328282013-06-18T17:31:18.869-07:002013-06-18T17:31:18.869-07:00He's pointing out the absurdity of the situati...He's pointing out the absurdity of the situation in the Church right now. Schonborn is 'in good standing' but orthodox Catholics are not? The future Supreme Pontiff can kneel at some crazy Protestant rally and nobody cares, but the Society is dirt. 'Regular' doesn't mean a damn thing when everything's completely upside-down. The only thing wrong with the Society is that they're a little soft around the edges, not that they're 'schismatic' or cootie-infested.conurenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-19680350535811628912013-06-17T14:23:42.480-07:002013-06-17T14:23:42.480-07:00I don't see how the SSPX has relevance at this...I don't see how the SSPX has relevance at this moment, especially when there are far more glaring instances of departure from orthodox teaching on sexual morality, ironically contained in the USCCBs own present and ridiculous endorsement of Boy Scouts.<br /><br />The SSPX is hardly worth mentioning in this context when they aren't the problem.Tancredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16015531337154301560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-86426501168835550412013-06-17T14:03:48.582-07:002013-06-17T14:03:48.582-07:00I haven't accused anyone of being less than ci...I haven't accused anyone of being less than civil, Tancred, so much as I've cautioned against an insistence on defining for ourselves who qualifies as a "priest in good standing with the Church". Let's keep this discussion about a Catholic Scout movement here in America.<br /><br />With that in mind, I don't believe the ordinary of Vienna, Austria, precisely has relevance at the moment.<br />If that person might be the head of SSPX or similar groups, go back to point number one and remember that they must be recognized by Rome. His Holiness and the Vatican Curia handle such matters.<br />Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13693728555801144332noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-77793459265407245122013-06-17T12:21:45.355-07:002013-06-17T12:21:45.355-07:00I don’t think anyone has been less than civil in t...I don’t think anyone has been less than civil in this conversation, and the ordinary of Vienna is a wonderful witness to the Catholic Faith as well as an obedient son of the Church.[/s]Tancredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16015531337154301560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-86581288090782382232013-06-17T12:19:16.017-07:002013-06-17T12:19:16.017-07:00Gentlemen, let's not make a molehill into a mo...Gentlemen, let's not make a molehill into a mountain. I think we all understand that the appropriate method to determine who is "loyal to" or "in communion with" Rome is pretty simple. Such distinctions will be determined by your local ordinary, your recognized bishop.<br /><br />If you wish for a more traditional approach to faith, I would suggest doing some research. Seek a parish operated by FSSP or ICK, or perhaps collaborate with your own parish to begin offering a traditional Mass. Do whatever you're able to aid the Church in your area to become stronger in faith.<br /><br />Let's please put our own effort into making things happen with dignity and civility. I've already witnessed more than enough of criticism from both extreme ends about what one bishop or another won't allow.<br />Let's please let the bishops and priests do their jobs and us do ours.<br /><br />Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13693728555801144332noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-76556467565888719832013-06-17T11:24:29.488-07:002013-06-17T11:24:29.488-07:00Yes, but look who is “reconciled” with Rome. Ther...Yes, but look who is “reconciled” with Rome. There are probably a few dozen Bishops who are as loyal to Rome as the SSPX Bishops are.Tancredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16015531337154301560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-37980825993372735812013-06-17T11:22:40.863-07:002013-06-17T11:22:40.863-07:00I said, Who is in communion with Rome? Who is Rome...I said, Who is in communion with Rome? Who is Rome in Communion with? Sort it out. Won't you have a "for starters<br />list" ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-60390340536432091562013-06-17T11:07:26.660-07:002013-06-17T11:07:26.660-07:00Who is more, who is less in communion with Rome an...Who is more, who is less in communion with Rome and who is<br />Rome in communion with? Break it down. I think too many<br />Catholics merely parrot, " SSPX blah blah blah". It's just so easy.<br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-76425641087418323782013-06-16T13:00:28.447-07:002013-06-16T13:00:28.447-07:00"in other words, all the actual Catholics i.e..."in other words, all the actual Catholics i.e. SSPX will be left out"<br /><br />I can't speak for Mr. Marshall, JMJ, but I think this statement epitomizes the problem. For one to be an "actual Catholic", one MUST be in full communion with Rome, per the Lord's dictate. Because you and I don't have the authority to address the various abuses inflicted by various priests and bishops, we must beg Rome to do so.<br /><br />Unfortunately, SSPX has not fully reconciled with Rome, per their own choice, not Rome's.Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13693728555801144332noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-78928562529598489652013-06-16T07:20:12.570-07:002013-06-16T07:20:12.570-07:00Sorry if I came across as being rude but really it...Sorry if I came across as being rude but really its just ridiculous, I've really had it with people who complain about how bad the Church/world gets and then beat the SSPX with a stick. JMJ Ora Pro Nobishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03777912891456648206noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-12491036581432788732013-06-16T06:36:47.936-07:002013-06-16T06:36:47.936-07:00That's a fair point.That's a fair point.Tancredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16015531337154301560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-86822637093415391292013-06-16T06:35:06.274-07:002013-06-16T06:35:06.274-07:00'Priest in good standing', in other words,...'Priest in good standing', in other words, all the actual Catholics i.e. SSPX will be left out, like raising an army and leaving out the crack troops, both foolish and short-sighted. JMJ Ora Pro Nobishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03777912891456648206noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-27796167315159798632013-06-14T23:47:36.221-07:002013-06-14T23:47:36.221-07:00I applaud your efforts in establishing this most n...I applaud your efforts in establishing this most needed Catholic organization. I would highly suggest that all men in leadership roles undergo Criminal Record Checks. These are required of anyone who works with children here in Canada. Good leadership, mentoring and moral behavior is most needed. God bless you.C. LaSallehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08172827779493356123noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-11668721894556477502013-06-14T17:05:36.534-07:002013-06-14T17:05:36.534-07:00While the position that the current changes to BSA...While the position that the current changes to BSA rules are in conformity with Church teaching; it is not likely that the Deceiver's forces will stop until BSA embraces same sex attraction as normal and eliminates God and faith. Starting Catholic scouting limited to Magisterium Catholics now will eliminate the costs and expense of litigating with the Deceiver's forces.<br /><br />ICYMI BSA rec'd millions in donations for it's North American after the votAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-46098236959057239342013-06-14T12:45:50.268-07:002013-06-14T12:45:50.268-07:00I just left a comment at the Refugee's about t...I just left a comment at the Refugee's about the Scouts of St. George. He will like this, to be great, organization I'm sure.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com