tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post9188892025675817985..comments2024-03-28T15:32:38.398-07:00Comments on The Eponymous Flower: Pope Francis Suspends Bishop Lovieres -- Intrigue Against Faithful Bishop ContinuesTancredhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16015531337154301560noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-25305977327414877482014-09-29T06:52:55.283-07:002014-09-29T06:52:55.283-07:00Fr. Urrutigoity is not guilty, he was falsely accu...Fr. Urrutigoity is not guilty, he was falsely accused in Pennsylvania and then no one accused him again. This bishop's decision was based on the recommendations he got from some people in the Vatican. This case didn't have anything to do with his situation. It was all part of an ideological warfare because he is against liberation theology and therefore all the rest of the bishops in Paraguay.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-8050683681584420232014-09-28T03:01:45.117-07:002014-09-28T03:01:45.117-07:00Is that a joke?!!Is that a joke?!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-86160604797415785482014-09-26T17:21:58.943-07:002014-09-26T17:21:58.943-07:00I believe he's a deviant himself. I usually d...I believe he's a deviant himself. I usually delete his comments.Tancredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16015531337154301560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-82762056013034715932014-09-26T14:40:56.473-07:002014-09-26T14:40:56.473-07:00"I await an investigation of the Society of C..."I await an investigation of the Society of Christ the King the High Priest. Personally I am wary of young men who enjoy buckled shoes, lace and baby blue pompoms. I already anticipate recrimination for saying that."<br /><br />And you'd deserve them if you have no allegations to make, or evidence to back them up.Athelstanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07346012062816580296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-37426191253297471932014-09-26T14:29:34.539-07:002014-09-26T14:29:34.539-07:00Corapi? Are you serious? He is in an undisclosed...Corapi? Are you serious? He is in an undisclosed Shangri La living with who know who, laughing at those he duped while counting his dividends. How much Kool Aid do you have to drink before you face reality?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-89297543741287690972014-09-26T13:37:35.273-07:002014-09-26T13:37:35.273-07:00I continue to defend Father Corapi.I continue to defend Father Corapi.Tancredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16015531337154301560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-5886699141034597972014-09-26T13:35:44.645-07:002014-09-26T13:35:44.645-07:00But it's not fair. Maybe you've been aslee...But it's not fair. Maybe you've been asleep for the last 50 years?Tancredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16015531337154301560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-16945050766264115922014-09-26T12:51:46.855-07:002014-09-26T12:51:46.855-07:00Fair is fair. Where there is corruption it must b...Fair is fair. Where there is corruption it must be rooted out. Liberal or conservative. Lovieres showed bad judgment if not willful contempt when he ignored warnings from other bishops. Perverts should not be given a free pass just because they say the Extraordinary Form. It is a convenient disguise for some. That is been the camouflage for many. I await an investigation of the Society of Christ the King the High Priest. Personally I am wary of young men who enjoy buckled shoes, lace and baby blue pompoms. I already anticipate recrimination for saying that. But there were conservatives who denied reality and defended Maciel and Corapi, and many others, too. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-78891583370700749012014-09-26T11:07:30.744-07:002014-09-26T11:07:30.744-07:00When +Lovieres publicly accused a Leftist Cardina...When +Lovieres publicly accused a Leftist Cardinal who is a public sinner of being such, that's all they needed to destroy his life's work. Perhaps there's wisdom in this?Tancredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16015531337154301560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-72332538716430743332014-09-26T10:59:39.341-07:002014-09-26T10:59:39.341-07:00Splinter versus forest of logs.Splinter versus forest of logs.Tancredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16015531337154301560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-49940528064348334822014-09-26T10:38:42.130-07:002014-09-26T10:38:42.130-07:00Being a Catholic will make you stand out from the ...Being a Catholic will make you stand out from the crowd, this will make you subject to attacks by apostates. This bishop made a stupid, stupid, very stupid mistake. Satan saw a crack in the fortress and he turned it into a breach. This is like politics in that if you truly want to make a change you have to be without blemish.<br /><br />Regardless of sanctity or even success, Francis will continue persecuting crypto-lefebvrists. This isn't about vocations or money anymore, it's about ideals. <br /><br />I think it's safe to say that we're living in the "Catholic Civil War".<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-74577951771577921662014-09-26T10:11:10.020-07:002014-09-26T10:11:10.020-07:00Tancred,
I'm not aware of episodes which may ...Tancred,<br /><br />I'm not aware of episodes which may have taken place since he arrived in Ciudad del Este.<br /><br />Nonetheless: What Fr. Urrutigoity had done already should already have been grounds for barring him from ministry in the diocese (let alone appointment as Vicar General!). The information was not hard to come by. <br /><br />When Bishop Fellay was confronted with his actions, he did not stop to ask whether he deserved a second chance. He not only turfed him out of the Society, but also made a point of sending a warning to Bishop Timlin in 1999: http://www.theinquiry.ca/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/10-February-1999-Bernard-Fellay-SSPX-Confidential-to-Bishop-Bishop-Timlin-with-link.pdf<br /><br />I think it's obvious that Bp. Livieres Plano's progressivist enemies were gunning for him. Perhaps they would have found some way to take him out anyway. Unfortunately, he gave them a large stock of ammunition by giving honor and place to Urrutigoity. And now he shares Bishop Timlin's fate as a result. Athelstanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07346012062816580296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-85352864758106220572014-09-26T09:23:31.448-07:002014-09-26T09:23:31.448-07:00Do you know if Urrutigoity has been guilty of mole...Do you know if Urrutigoity has been guilty of molesting or doing anything strange since he got appointed? <br /><br />I was shocked and annoyed about this when it happened, but I assume people, especially bishops, have good will and make errors in good faith.<br /><br />He wouldn't be the first institutional figure who have someone a second chance.<br /><br />Tancredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16015531337154301560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-46106320289934654312014-09-26T09:17:22.908-07:002014-09-26T09:17:22.908-07:00It doesn't matter, if something obvious that t...It doesn't matter, if something obvious that touches people's emotions can't be found, something which touches people's emotions will be fabricated.<br /><br />Most other bishops would not be able to withstand this kind of scrutiny.<br /><br />The bishop's real crime is being too Catholic, and maybe being overly credulous about Urrutigoity.<br /><br />I will point out that there were a lot of people out there, who are pretty silent now, who were pretty vociferous when I was taking Father Marshal Roberts to task.<br /><br />Should Bergolio go after Bishop Vasa now or the Bishop of Grejus-Toulon? I expect he will.Tancredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16015531337154301560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-44425517168890898652014-09-26T08:19:53.479-07:002014-09-26T08:19:53.479-07:00Tancred, I wouldn't disagree at all. And if we...Tancred, I wouldn't disagree at all. And if we are to speak of the evils of protecting deviant priests, Cardinal Daneels not only should have no place in the upcoming Synod, he ought to have been removed from his see over twenty years ago. Instead, his ecclesiastical career hums merrily along. <br /><br />But as I said - as Rorate notes - there's a double standard. This is why traditional orders and societies police these things so vigorously. They simply won't get the benefit of the doubt that a place like Collegeville will. Athelstanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07346012062816580296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-70865345900394033562014-09-26T08:15:50.705-07:002014-09-26T08:15:50.705-07:00It is a tragedy that Tina Beattie has reached such...It is a tragedy that Tina Beattie has reached such a pass, but you have unwittingly identified the reason: Tina Beattie cannot, by any reasonable definition be considered a "faithful" Catholic at present.<br /><br />She is on the record as 1) opposing the Church's teaching on the evil of abortion, 2) favoring *sacramental* (not just civil!) same-sex marriage, and 3) ordaining women. <br /><br />It's hard to see how any diocese could justify giving such a platform to someone who is such a vigorous public detractor of key Church teachings. There's a great deal of issues that Catholics can argue about and differ on. These teachings are simply not among them.Athelstanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07346012062816580296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-67006310232226033052014-09-26T08:12:52.474-07:002014-09-26T08:12:52.474-07:00If it's not wholly unjust, then 90% of the Ger...If it's not wholly unjust, then 90% of the German Episcopate should be going in vacation. Tancredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16015531337154301560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-80753797532124673652014-09-26T08:10:25.052-07:002014-09-26T08:10:25.052-07:00I'm afraid I share Rorate Caeli's assessme...I'm afraid I share Rorate Caeli's assessment on this: the deposition of the bishop is not entirely unjust. It was the bizarre protection of Fr. Carlos Urrutigoity by His Excellency that gave his enemies the opportunity to remove him. "It was the Bishop's stubborn stance in defense of a priest with such an abominable past that brought upon this visitation -- and now the same Bishop's dismissal."<br /><br />We are now left to pray that what GOOD works Bp. Livieres Plano was able to accomplish in his diocese will not be undone as a result of this.<br /><br />Traditional and tradition-friendly ecclesiastics will be held to higher standards, my friends, regardless of whether that's fair or not. There's no margin for error - especially where tolerance for sexual deviancy in the priesthood is concerned. Urrutigoity has now brought down two such bishops. The SSPX, at least, was able to figure out what he was before he could damage them as well. Athelstanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07346012062816580296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-2015102659086225782014-09-26T06:09:15.503-07:002014-09-26T06:09:15.503-07:00I don't see how they could support a non-Catho...I don't see how they could support a non-Catholic. <br /><br />Tancredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16015531337154301560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-62017020159980381702014-09-26T06:01:17.405-07:002014-09-26T06:01:17.405-07:00I trust supporters of the Opus Dei bishop will lik...I trust supporters of the Opus Dei bishop will likewise support Professor Tina Beattie, a faithful Catholic, who has been banned from speaking in the diocese of St. Andrew's at the behest of the Vatican. The unjust exercise of authority is unjust whomever it is directed towards.Savonarolahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12547523172291007631noreply@blogger.com