tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post7380105462282636021..comments2024-03-28T02:22:35.857-07:00Comments on The Eponymous Flower: Poor Francis' New Decree Calls on Cloisters to Become More WorldlyTancredhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16015531337154301560noreply@blogger.comBlogger57125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-45249545847610897842016-07-28T07:16:10.513-07:002016-07-28T07:16:10.513-07:00Pope Francis wishes to rake into account Vatican l...Pope Francis wishes to rake into account Vatican ll? Has he missed the part of V2 that calls on all Religious to reform and return to the spirit of their founders? Pope Francis is misleading Religious into a different direction.PaxTecum57http://googlenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-91109058918692878992016-07-27T10:52:52.316-07:002016-07-27T10:52:52.316-07:00SSPV has a large order of Nun's in Oyster Bay ...SSPV has a large order of Nun's in Oyster Bay Cove,NY.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-55390907029890570432016-07-26T00:43:24.060-07:002016-07-26T00:43:24.060-07:00Until you drop off the twig Ding Bat.Until you drop off the twig Ding Bat.Augienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-27828852942494131722016-07-25T18:48:55.823-07:002016-07-25T18:48:55.823-07:00Surely, you are Klowning, Gerard.
1- "...sho...Surely, you are Klowning, Gerard.<br /><br />1- "...showy displays of ascetisim ..." What in the heck is a "showy display of asceticism?" Monastics are locked up tight, away from the general population, so to speak in a way you can unbderstand. In general, no one visits them, they visit no one. They fast, they pray, they work, some remain silent. That is their charism. What is showy about that? Where are the TV producers busting down the monastery doors to film their daily showy ascetic antics? Are kids now buying the bubble gumtrading cards of holy ascetics in showy poses? I really doubt Basil said it that way. Even if he did, does it apply to today? I have not read any news accounts of stylites falling off pillars and killing people or stray animals lately, or for that matter, in my lifetime, or the lifetime of anyone else in the last millennium-and-a-half.<br /><br />2. Isn't quoting Basil pedantic, as well as a bit of a smokescreen, anyway?<br /><br />3. When was that tradition broken, and who broke it? Inquiring Catholic minds, etc.<br /><br />2) Barnumnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-89031646146614419692016-07-25T10:02:12.776-07:002016-07-25T10:02:12.776-07:00It will long have been shaped into a protestant ho...It will long have been shaped into a protestant horror by then. Expect a Francis II in the vein of Billary Clinton following in Obongo's footsteps. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00858691199615974377noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-37583812057188314672016-07-25T10:01:16.252-07:002016-07-25T10:01:16.252-07:00It will long have been shaped into a protestant ho...It will long have been shaped into a protestant horror by then. Expect a Francis II in the vein of Billary Clinton following in Obongo's footsteps. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00858691199615974377noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-38943962683770540532016-07-25T09:45:17.986-07:002016-07-25T09:45:17.986-07:00The bully woke a long time ago....ask the FFI.The bully woke a long time ago....ask the FFI.susannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-26453799601037159692016-07-25T05:54:04.366-07:002016-07-25T05:54:04.366-07:00O God how much longer must we put up with this mad...O God how much longer must we put up with this mad man.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-62788762790644346582016-07-25T03:49:27.795-07:002016-07-25T03:49:27.795-07:00The Bully has awoken. The Bully has awoken. Stephen Lowehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09665722831953785556noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-26642726101361629792016-07-25T02:53:39.618-07:002016-07-25T02:53:39.618-07:00The plan seems to be that the pastoral should be c...The plan seems to be that the pastoral should be centralised whilst doctrine shall be delegated down to Bishops' conference level - see para 3 of Amoris Laetitia.Nicolas Bellordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08063019108964247676noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-53829346124381215782016-07-25T02:00:15.286-07:002016-07-25T02:00:15.286-07:00only one little tiny problem:
there will be no nun...only one little tiny problem:<br />there will be no nuns to do the eucharistic adoration. <br />did you really think the false prophet of the apocalypse would promote adoration of jesus christ in the most holy eucharist?<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-77553014912124477382016-07-24T21:26:46.159-07:002016-07-24T21:26:46.159-07:00Some of the more excitable characters on this thre...Some of the more excitable characters on this thread might well benefit from a quick read of what Basil of Caesarea taught about monasticism. He insisted that the members of these communities refrain from showy displays of asceticism and that they become involved in the world around them even to the extent of establishing centres of learning and health care. A couple of centuries later, St Benedict followed Basil's sound advice. <br />Pope Francis is simply holding to and teaching that same tradition.Gerard Knoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-87970831397705730262016-07-24T21:20:01.074-07:002016-07-24T21:20:01.074-07:00@Steve We need to blame ourselves and our sins.Don...@Steve We need to blame ourselves and our sins.Dont blame others for our immoral shortcomings.We are all to blame!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-66682070236429286952016-07-24T21:16:08.114-07:002016-07-24T21:16:08.114-07:00Where is the solid proof Pius XI flatly denied con...Where is the solid proof Pius XI flatly denied consecrating anything or anyone?<br />I have asked this before and literally no one can point me to any evidence.<br />Don't accuse Pius XI of some spiritual crime without solid fact based evidence. <br />Not only was he a Catholic Pope but he has also been dead for centuries.(don't speak ill of the dead especially without proof)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-19978252516749832402016-07-24T21:11:25.597-07:002016-07-24T21:11:25.597-07:00No offense and I truly sympathize with your post....No offense and I truly sympathize with your post.<br />I left the Novus Ordo and haven't been back for a long while.<br />Maybe these people need to seek a vocation in a traditional order.<br />You're correct it's a diabolical plot to destroy tradition,I agree 100%.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-76588147167424237802016-07-24T19:42:21.426-07:002016-07-24T19:42:21.426-07:00We wouldn't be in this mess if Pius XI had act...We wouldn't be in this mess if Pius XI had actually consecrated Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary in union with all the bishops of the world. <br /><br />Since he and his successors have not done so, we are suffering the consequences. <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-35135361814572438712016-07-24T19:36:26.926-07:002016-07-24T19:36:26.926-07:00Thank you for mentioning the article by Hilary Whi...Thank you for mentioning the article by Hilary White. It is a devastating critique of VD. <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-50328402999441382692016-07-24T19:07:44.206-07:002016-07-24T19:07:44.206-07:00ummmmmm.............Hey Holy Father!! This was al...ummmmmm.............Hey Holy Father!! This was already tried pre-Vatican II. At the Council, it was STRONGLY advocated that religious communities (even those frightening CLOISTERED ONES) re-discover their charism. Aren't there enough active communities doing great work, not to mention all the laity NOT living as cloistered contemplatives.............Somebody should tell this guy about it!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-15099945914078655212016-07-24T17:43:25.214-07:002016-07-24T17:43:25.214-07:00As I understood that to mean, the sisters MUST be ...As I understood that to mean, the sisters MUST be "involved" with the local church. Therefore, if the order is attached to the Latin Rite, that is not what Francis is supporting. He intends the nuns to engage with the local NO church. We have not one reason to trust this endeavor of this pope at all. It no doubt was created with the intention to put the hammer down on traditional orders or turn some screws. <br />How awful to feel this way about a pope.Kathleen1031https://www.blogger.com/profile/10201084623185206141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-54546571337074900322016-07-24T15:51:53.704-07:002016-07-24T15:51:53.704-07:00I made the mistake of thinking at first glace that...I made the mistake of thinking at first glace that there;s nothing bad about Francis' new constitution for cloistered nuns. That was until I read Hilary White's post in the Remnant about it. Thank you Athelstane. Sfter reading it, I have come to the conclusion that Francis and his people are not only radical liberals, but they are not even Catholics. This kind of thing, which will ultimately bring a great deal of harm to cloistered monasteries of nuns, is supremely evil. But then again, it's from Bergoglio....so what can one expect that.<br />Damian MalliapalliAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-64579629805928081842016-07-24T14:56:14.294-07:002016-07-24T14:56:14.294-07:00Another thing that strikes me......Francis prides ...Another thing that strikes me......Francis prides himself on bringing about a more 'Synodal' Church? Hmm....is that ONLY with the Bishops? For wanting to 'decentralize' he sure is acting like a dictator to me!!!TLMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16185788425122984772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-53963920538167628562016-07-24T14:51:45.468-07:002016-07-24T14:51:45.468-07:00Well, instead of 'boring' I would say '...Well, instead of 'boring' I would say 'repetitive'. These bombshells now come weekly or bi weekly. This is actually DEVASTATING for the Church. It looks rather innocent at first glance, but.......they will be required to 'belong to a Federation'??? A no doubt....'modernist Federation'?? They will also be required to serve a NINE YEAR novitiate........NINE YEARS??????!!!!!! How long would anyone expect to last NINE YEARS in a so called 'Contemplate Order' without making final vows? And.....when expected to become more 'worldly'? Kind of like asking an engaged couple to 'discern' their relationship for marriage for nine years before taking vows!! Now, that said, I realize that some do have long novitiates, but NINE YEARS??? And they are not to 'recruit' candidates from out of their own country. What he is clearly doing, is assuring the destruction of the traditional contemplative, just like the 'spirit' of Vatican 11 all but destroyed the traditional Mass.<br /><br />This is another diabolical ploy to wipe out ALL tradition, make NO mistake about that!!!!TLMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16185788425122984772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-5925190375990967832016-07-24T12:49:11.728-07:002016-07-24T12:49:11.728-07:00Yes, Nogara was problematic. But that was a financ...Yes, Nogara was problematic. But that was a financial matters appointment, and it's not clear how much Pius XI even knew about what was going on - certainly not enough to support the contention that he had no fear of God. Athelstanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07346012062816580296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-77482241885959480382016-07-24T09:48:51.174-07:002016-07-24T09:48:51.174-07:00Google "Bernardino Nogara" if you want t...Google "Bernardino Nogara" if you want to know why Pius XI was mentioned by name at Fatima.Ivanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08073646543319151044noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-19231980862575964672016-07-24T08:21:35.804-07:002016-07-24T08:21:35.804-07:00There seems to be nothing suggested by the Pope th...<i>There seems to be nothing suggested by the Pope that is not already contained in the Rule of St. Benedict, the "blueprint" as it were for all monastic life.</i><br /><br />The Holy See has never before dictated things like length of formation (now 9 years! under this document) - that has always been left to the individual order to determine. It's going to make it extremely difficult for any new religious communities to form.<br /><br />Likewise, the Holy See has never demanded such control over the form of cloister chosen as this document does.<br /><br />It's a document that represents unprecedented centralization and consolidation of papal authority, which is enormously ironic, given the rhetoric of this pontificate. Athelstanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07346012062816580296noreply@blogger.com