tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post2022835271609010860..comments2024-03-28T02:22:35.857-07:00Comments on The Eponymous Flower: Do Jews and Muslims Decide the Conditions for the Recognition of the SSPX?Tancredhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16015531337154301560noreply@blogger.comBlogger49125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-70620344711154844262016-08-18T16:39:40.194-07:002016-08-18T16:39:40.194-07:00thewarourtime.com, I certainly understand your mis...thewarourtime.com, I certainly understand your misgivings of Pope Francis, he himself has earned the misgivings from Catholics. But with the SSPX I am confident. Confident because they are all about God and they will not compromise anything that is of God. The SSPX has complete confidence in the Creator and His Divine Providence. If Pope Francis is setting a trap for the Society, it is already set to be doomed. The Society trusts in Christ and that is the most powerful weapon God has given us. God will never betray anyone who has complete trust in him. God Bless You Abundantly! May Our Lady's Immaculate Heart always protect you and yours!PaxTecum57http://googlenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-47384839773476175572016-08-17T15:14:15.305-07:002016-08-17T15:14:15.305-07:00@PaxTecum57: Thank you! God bless you and yours, a...@PaxTecum57: Thank you! God bless you and yours, and his work at your hands. While I am pleased that SSPX is in talks to regularize their canonical status, I have an uneasy feeling of the moves under Pope Francis' pontificate that to me may result in more confusion for the faithful, and that is not a good thing.thewarourtime.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01978929245986924620noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-57839939642990894622016-08-17T06:26:16.125-07:002016-08-17T06:26:16.125-07:00thewarourtime, I am very happy that the SSPX has b...thewarourtime, I am very happy that the SSPX has been offered a Personal Prelature and I don't reject the whole of the Council. I am concerned that we had a Council where many Council Fathers were Modernist heretics. This is what Bl. Ann Catherine Emmerich saw in a vision which many believe she saw Vatican ll.<br /><br />The vision: Bl. Emmerich saw a huge procession of Bishops processing into a very large Church, it seemed to her that they were all the Bishops of the world. Of the majority of those Bishops, out came figures that were ugly, God had her understand that those images presented those Bishops faith and intentions. She saw few Bishops from whom came out beautiful images and God gave her to understand it was the images of their pure faith and intentions.<br /><br />When in the history of the Church has this ever taken place? V2 started as a huge procession of Bishops entering St. Peter's Basilica, the worlds largest Church. Before the Council even ended, over 300 Bishops gathered at the Basilica of St. Domitilla at night and signed documents in agreement with each other, of the destruction they would strike Christ's Church with as soon as the Council ended. PaxTecum57http://googlenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-46592760643225063112016-08-17T05:56:11.971-07:002016-08-17T05:56:11.971-07:00Anonymous, On the Internet search for, "the 9...Anonymous, On the Internet search for, "the 9 schemas of Pope John XXlll for the Second Vatican Council", you will be able to read the schemas and will be surprised at the type of clear Catholic writing it was written in. Also in the Diary of Pope John XXlll there is an entry from the mid 50's where as Cardinal Roncalli he goes to a certain Country and is outraged that priests were saying Mass facing the people. Pope John immediately spoke to their superior and had that "Severe Liturgical Abuse" (as he put it) stopped. When Teilhard de Chardin began spreading heresy, Pope John XXlll as Cardinal Roncalli took the matter immediately to Pope Pius Xll who quickly condemned Teilhard. So many examples of Pope John XXlll, I believe it was on this site that I read that we Traditionalists must reclaim Pope John XXlll as our own.PaxTecum57http://googlenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-79561640468553136082016-08-15T16:40:11.180-07:002016-08-15T16:40:11.180-07:00This for those opposed to the Second Vatican Counc...This for those opposed to the Second Vatican Council yet excited that SSPX has been offered a Personal Prelature:<br /><b><i>Personal prelatures are ecclesiastical jurisdictions provided for by the Second Vatican Council</i></b> - Cf. About Opus Dei > Frequently asked questions > Why did the Church make Opus Dei a personal prelature? [http://www.opusdei.org/en-us/article/why-did-the-church-make-opus-dei-a-personal-prelature/] and also the Apostolic constitution <i>Ut sit</i> by Pope St. John Paul II erecting Opus Dei as a personal Prelature.thewarourtime.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01978929245986924620noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-15726454937479539982016-08-15T16:37:33.593-07:002016-08-15T16:37:33.593-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.thewarourtime.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01978929245986924620noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-69006695926809185412016-08-15T16:03:25.263-07:002016-08-15T16:03:25.263-07:00@Anonymous: Cf. my comments at 1P5 starting here: ...@Anonymous: Cf. my comments at 1P5 starting here: http://www.onepeterfive.com/abp-pozzo-on-sspx-disputed-vatican-ii-documents-are-non-doctrinal/#comment-2833365543thewarourtime.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01978929245986924620noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-3250327409413404462016-08-15T14:09:24.912-07:002016-08-15T14:09:24.912-07:00thewarourtime.com, I agree with you that we must a...thewarourtime.com, I agree with you that we must accept all the Teachings of the Church. But times have changed and there are those who are changing the Teachings of the Church. Those we must resist in order to keep the Teachings of Christ and His Church pure and intact. The Magisterial Teachings of the 2000 year history of the Church cannot be changed just because someone is not comfortable with it. As a Cardinal said recently, "We cannot deny that there are many anti-Christ's in the Church today". So today we must labor to find out what the Church truly teaches and what it does not teach.PaxTecum57http://googlenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-6193662338824933102016-08-15T13:54:20.538-07:002016-08-15T13:54:20.538-07:00Not all of Vatican ll is false. An SSPX priest tol...Not all of Vatican ll is false. An SSPX priest told us at a meeting that Vatican ll has many good things but they are hidden with the ambiguous language it was written in. Not even the SSPX rejects the whole of Vatican ll, only those parts that seem to be a break from the Catholic Church's teaching Tradition. Cardinal Burke made it clear, "We have the Truth" and that Truth cannot be compromised. There are those who have separated themselves from the teaching Tradition of the Church. By Canon Law they incur excommunication Latae Sententiae. The Church is fine and well, it is men who are not.PaxTecum57http://googlenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-70394424512584728252016-08-15T11:14:49.300-07:002016-08-15T11:14:49.300-07:00The Catholic Church is not deficient. Its either r...The Catholic Church is not deficient. Its either right or wrong,true or false.<br />Error and truth cannot coexist especially in regards to the Magisterium.<br />Either accept V2 as is and defend it entirely or reject it because it clashes & goes against the beliefs and previous teachings of the Church.One cannot have it both ways.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-10916608039036947942016-08-14T11:19:50.734-07:002016-08-14T11:19:50.734-07:00If true then that is an interesting tidbit, PaxTec...If true then that is an interesting tidbit, PaxTecum. I was not aware of that about John XXIII. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-50815605467927841282016-08-14T02:15:22.900-07:002016-08-14T02:15:22.900-07:00How could you disagree with the priest Ordained in...How could you disagree with the priest Ordained in 1958. I did not go into details of what I spoke against. If some who belong to the SSPX do not accept the Novus Ordo as valid, means nothing. His Excellency Bishop Bernard Fellay and the other two Bishops accept its validity. They believe it to be deficient and so does Pope Benedict XVl and many Cardinals and Bishops. Cardinal Burke is working on restoring the prayers at the foot of the Altar and also making the ancient Offertory optional in the Novus Ordo. There is much work to be done and its underway, despite Bergoglio!PaxTecum57http://googlenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-65218024585508026772016-08-13T17:51:25.626-07:002016-08-13T17:51:25.626-07:00No surprise that the enemies of Our Lord Jesus Chr...No surprise that the enemies of Our Lord Jesus Christ and of His Church oppose the return to the Truth. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-59160807471922097132016-08-13T14:02:39.934-07:002016-08-13T14:02:39.934-07:00I do not belong to the SSPX and my spiritual direc...I do not belong to the SSPX and my spiritual director (ordained traditional rite by traditional rite Bishop) would disagree with priest ordained in 1958.Until we have a Catholic Pope,these disagreements will persist.<br />Secondly,not every priest in SSPX recognize the validity of the Novus Ordo.<br />Third,V2 literally contradicts sacred tradition and sacred tradition plus calls for a "New World Order"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-20328597435116103222016-08-13T13:43:02.820-07:002016-08-13T13:43:02.820-07:00Anonymous, At a Tridentine Mass the Monsignor who ...Anonymous, At a Tridentine Mass the Monsignor who who says only the Tridentine Mass and was once the official Theologian of the Diocese pointed out some theological aspects on the Novus Ordo. He said as does the SSPX that the Novus Ordo is valid, not desirable but valid. He explained that the New Order of Mass has all the necessary essentials which make it a valid Mass. This the SSPX also teaches. So no matter what atrocities a priest conducts at Mass, if he says the words of Consecration correctly then that is the essential for a Mass to be valid. A Traditional priest once admonished me severely because of a statement I made against another priests Mass, his words were, "Do not pretend to know what you do not know!!! That priest went to the Seminary, you did not!!!". That priest I spoke against was Ordained in 1958, so he was well trained as a priest. PaxTecum57http://googlenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-86744945093048478902016-08-12T20:37:09.557-07:002016-08-12T20:37:09.557-07:00How absurdly ironic our present time, consider, th...How absurdly ironic our present time, consider, that the Keys of the Papacy were given by Christ to St Peter only after St Peter declares to Christ, "Thou art Christ the Son of the Living God." Now the present leading members of the Islamic group insists it is a blasphemy worthy of death to say what St Peter declared and then also the "Jewish or Semitic" also declared that Christ must die because of the supposed blasphemy of declaring Himself, Jesus Christ, (since He Himself made the declaration) to be the Son of God, He must die for His blasphemy.<br />The two groups by their doctrinal agressive denial of Christ the Son of the Living God they offend God. Which makes it so ironic in that the present time accords them such incredible influence. They publish and are given influence to decide who can be called true followers and desciple of Jesus Christ the only Son of God. How darkly ironic are these times.<br /> <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-77381840626660472112016-08-12T15:09:58.704-07:002016-08-12T15:09:58.704-07:00Vatican 2 is an anti council but you're wrong....Vatican 2 is an anti council but you're wrong.Every 'Pope' since JP2 has advocated "fulfilling and living the council in the life of the Church".That is a fact and I wish I was wrong.If you accept the Novus ordo you must accept the Council.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-65731746205045922872016-08-12T11:57:43.895-07:002016-08-12T11:57:43.895-07:00Thewarourtime, the Vatican itself just said that...Thewarourtime, the Vatican itself just said that many VII documents, particularly Nostra Aetate, are not only non-dogmatic but are not even binding, and that Catholics are free to reject them. See Archbishop Pozzo's recent interview. Thus, Muslims in fact do not truly worship the One God.<br /><br />Nice try bud.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-65336894568640351182016-08-11T12:50:31.025-07:002016-08-11T12:50:31.025-07:00"... the militant conviction of possessing th..."... the militant conviction of possessing the only true way to God."<br /><br />But it *is* the only true way to God. That's always been the self-understanding of the Church. Athelstanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07346012062816580296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-32796127757769249132016-08-11T10:29:49.257-07:002016-08-11T10:29:49.257-07:00Throughout my life I have had the good fortune of ...Throughout my life I have had the good fortune of hearing the sermons of many good and faithful priests. According to them we with the Muslims and the Jews do not worship the same God. We all aim for the same God but the God of the Muslims and the Jews is a false God. The reason! The Muslims reject the mystery of the Trinity and they reject Christ as true God and True Man. The Muslims have lowered Our Lord Jesus Christ to a mere prophet lesser than Mohammed. The Jews reject the mystery of the Trinity, they reject Jesus Christ as True God and True Man. They have it written that Our Lady was a loose girl who came out pregnant and claimed to have conceived by the Holy Ghost and that Jesus never knew his biological Father. So in truth we do not worship the same God. Another important matter is that by virtue of our Baptism our prayers are supernatural. That of the Muslims and the Jew do not have a supernatural effect, their prayers are only human prayers. This is the perennial teaching of the ChurchPaxTecum57http://googlenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-72476265497902617032016-08-11T06:03:54.283-07:002016-08-11T06:03:54.283-07:00Exactly I agree with you.The Catholic Church teach...Exactly I agree with you.The Catholic Church teaches Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus.Muslims are heretical pagans and I reject all who reject Jesus Christ and the Roman Catholic Church.V2 is an anti council. We can debate till we're blue in the face it won't change anything.Ecumenism is satanism and Idolatry.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-36227669613675720042016-08-11T02:15:27.179-07:002016-08-11T02:15:27.179-07:00@Angelo Pacheco Well said and argued. Read recentl...@Angelo Pacheco Well said and argued. Read recently that not only was there a second miracle through his intercession for the canonization of this great and saintly pope, there were plenty to spare.thewarourtime.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01978929245986924620noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-1617646404643010882016-08-11T02:06:46.877-07:002016-08-11T02:06:46.877-07:00For the sake of your own salvation, it is what the...For the sake of your own salvation, it is what the Church teaches that matters, whether that is agreeable to you or not.thewarourtime.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01978929245986924620noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-46122553733909985582016-08-10T13:12:01.566-07:002016-08-10T13:12:01.566-07:00No I have not and will not Steve.
I do not recogni...No I have not and will not Steve.<br />I do not recognize any public idolater as a "Saint".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-1848650042358246142016-08-10T12:32:18.781-07:002016-08-10T12:32:18.781-07:00I disagree and think V2 is an Anti Council.I disagree and think V2 is an Anti Council.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com