tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post1268125045534599950..comments2024-03-28T02:22:35.857-07:00Comments on The Eponymous Flower: Franciscans of the Immaculate Require "Permit" to Say Mass: Life Under the Commissar Tancredhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16015531337154301560noreply@blogger.comBlogger44125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-32512434993020151402014-01-28T12:56:55.632-08:002014-01-28T12:56:55.632-08:00It seems to me that the Order is being crushed to ...It seems to me that the Order is being crushed to the ground and quite deliberately so. This is all part of the persecution that lays ahead for fervent and true Catholics. Is there a petition out there somewhere for the FFI ? We need to pray for them alot and give them our encouragement and support. God help them. They are truly suffering with Christ on Calvary. Annenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-3749234949470160672014-01-22T00:49:57.623-08:002014-01-22T00:49:57.623-08:00Imagine that, sounds like authentic religious life...Imagine that, sounds like authentic religious life to me. Tancredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16015531337154301560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-27048184992069453932014-01-22T00:01:44.036-08:002014-01-22T00:01:44.036-08:00I find this whole thing pathetic. It's a whine...I find this whole thing pathetic. It's a whine fest. For those who know the FI, permission is required for everything: permission to have coffee in the afternoon, permission to call relatives, permission to use a laptop, permission to stay up late, permission to have a snack, permission to read a blog like this....all this and more way before the Vatican intervention!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-23962019422384541592014-01-14T11:50:45.389-08:002014-01-14T11:50:45.389-08:00Obedience is not owed where sin or opposition to t...Obedience is not owed where sin or opposition to the faith is concerned. It is clear that those persecuting the Franciscans of the Immaculate are enemies of the faith acting to destroy the true faith which is found only with the traditional latin mass of St. Pius V and the other pre-Vatican II rites. Pope Leo XIII said that if laws are against God and against the faith "then truly, to resist becomes a positive duty, to obey, a crime." (Pope Leo XIII, Sapientiae Christianae). How many good Catholics are held in bondage to these apostates and heretics because they don't know the doctrine that heretics are not members of the Church and do not possess divine authority. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-7956886972876824722014-01-14T09:37:25.158-08:002014-01-14T09:37:25.158-08:00Dear Marie:
Your original post was perfectly clea...Dear Marie:<br /><br />Your original post was perfectly clear and it is unfortunate that someone, who perhaps did not read it carefully, misunderstood it. Occasionally I find myself having to re-read certain comments to make sure I've understood them correctly before responding. It's a natural human failing. schmenznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-82409827334686881432014-01-14T09:19:23.579-08:002014-01-14T09:19:23.579-08:00My advice to the Franciscans involved is to defend...My advice to the Franciscans involved is to defend tradition & let the supposed authorities continue in their liberal modernist rebellion against Sacred Tradition. They can expect little to no help from The Vatican which has become a bastion of heresy & sacrilege.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03115383788794738941noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-61704085489257712162014-01-14T09:15:09.265-08:002014-01-14T09:15:09.265-08:00Of course the pope knows this is going on and supp...Of course the pope knows this is going on and supports it. That the post-conciliar popes completely ignore the perpetual right of Roman Catholics to the Latin Mass pre-1962 is so because they have either tried to abrogate it like gay pope Paul VI or they have attempted to make it a concession on sentimentalist grounds like phenomenological JPII. Benedict XVI made it conditional upon recognition of the NO which no right-minded Roman Catholic could ever do because it is not Catholic at all. This pope is a raging liberal destined to completely empty out all final vestiges of Sacred Tradition for the relativised mess of pantheistic potage so-desired by the zionists and their masonic sponsors. The liberal logic of the alleged liturgical reform was to hybridise at best under Benedict XVI but to remove it gradually by stealth, at worst due to Paul VI's failure to do so This papacy signals the final attempt at its overthrow. He will fail.<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03115383788794738941noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-60383027459031324952014-01-13T11:46:09.126-08:002014-01-13T11:46:09.126-08:00Well that is the last time I post as Anonymous. Th...Well that is the last time I post as Anonymous. This thread has begun to remind me of Spartacus:<br />"Who is Anonymous?" <br />"I am Anonymous"<br />"No, I am Anonymous."<br />"No, I am...................." <br /><br />Well, 'I' am the original Anonymous and the other Anonymous assumed wrongly that I am a 'he'. But I will let that pass as she has already apologised (I think).<br /><br />Anonymous, you are now hereby welcome to the exclusive right of calling yourself the one and only Anonymous. From now on I am MarieJ!<br /> <br />Oy vey, my head might break with the confusion, I am off to do some 'kibitzing' somewhere else, already! <br /><br /><br /><br /><br />mehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18438269008464465488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-53972709530383353202014-01-13T09:53:17.084-08:002014-01-13T09:53:17.084-08:00I hope we can all live with each other as Catholic...I hope we can all live with each other as Catholics as this goes on. Sometimes friendly fire seems unavoidable, but not always fatal.Tancredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16015531337154301560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-16120692239763344352014-01-13T09:52:02.960-08:002014-01-13T09:52:02.960-08:00I think it's the way "they" do busin...I think it's the way "they" do business. They've done this sort of thing before. See Thieberville, Protocol 1411, Little Rock and Fr. Laurent Demets, FSSP, the way Father Andreas Skoblicki was treated in Linz, among so many others...<br /><br />http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/global-filipino/world/03/02/11/french-village-faces-excommunication-over-priest-bishopTancredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16015531337154301560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-87640833103471856482014-01-13T09:21:06.293-08:002014-01-13T09:21:06.293-08:00I detect a hint of vicarious sarcasm with that &qu...I detect a hint of vicarious sarcasm with that "Wow" but if that "Wow" is sincere I apologize and agree with you in that sentiment. <br /><br />Just kidding. <br /><br />This whole fiasco has made our minds so stressed and defensive that it could break. <br /><br />As St. Thomas Aquinas states: "It is requisite for the relaxation of the mind that we make use, from time to time, of playful deeds and jokes."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-21504984284897667772014-01-13T07:02:09.315-08:002014-01-13T07:02:09.315-08:00Wow.Wow.Tancredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16015531337154301560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-8479379254705606972014-01-13T01:50:31.579-08:002014-01-13T01:50:31.579-08:00@Anonymous: "If what you said is true I apolo...@Anonymous: "If what you said is true I apologize."<br /><br />!!<br /><br />Well all I can say to that is 'if' your apology is sincere...I accept.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-35152087702057523732014-01-12T16:56:12.505-08:002014-01-12T16:56:12.505-08:00If what you said is true I apologize. Father Volpi...If what you said is true I apologize. Father Volpi is no one to be defended. Father Volpi in his actions has already proven that he will misrepresent facts to justify his draconian actions so I would be no friend of the friars if I backslapped and guffawed with this monster.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-77919020568075375322014-01-12T15:31:49.722-08:002014-01-12T15:31:49.722-08:00Perhaps I did not make myself clear enough Anonymo...Perhaps I did not make myself clear enough Anonymous. I was not suggesting that the Catholic Church is a cult. I am a Catholic myself, but find the way that this particular order of Franciscans are being dealt with quite disturbing and very disappointing when there are many other issues that need 'supervising'. It seems out of proportion to the alleged misdemeanour (leanings towards traditionalism, etc?). <br />(Actually, I wish there was a lot more leaning towards traditionalism, as I hardly recognise the Church that I grew up in,<br />in my part of the world - the UK.<br /><br />As for "...hints of vicarious sadism" on my part Anonymous you are reading far more into my genuine question. To me the commissioner's behaviour 'does' sound like that of a cult leader. You also mentioned 'torture' - a word I didn't use - again reading a lot more into my comment than I intended. <br /><br /> @Anonymous:"If you do not assent, we have absolutely zero interest in what your opinion is about our Church so take your busy-body kibitzing elsewhere"<br /><br />It is the first time I have commented on this blog Anonymous having only recently found it. However, I apologise that I failed to undergo your 'vetting' procedure first and I promise to ask permission next time. Thank you for the welcome:-) <br /><br />Maybe you and Father Volpi would get on like a house on fire?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-22935265302371641012014-01-12T13:43:33.457-08:002014-01-12T13:43:33.457-08:00No, it can't.No, it can't. Tancredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16015531337154301560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-4687342107429374642014-01-12T12:42:17.676-08:002014-01-12T12:42:17.676-08:00@Tancred: Anon said "Maybe someone can corre...@Tancred: Anon said "Maybe someone can correct me, but isn't this the way 'cults' treat their members when they err? They cruelly break down their will until they conform? What is the difference?"<br /><br />In this statement the only way "cult" can be interpreted is as referring to the Universal Church, it is not referring to sub-units within the church. In his phrasing, it is the cult (the church) that is punishing a sub-unit (the FFI) within the cult. Basically, he is starting that the universal church (which he refers to as a 'cult') in the person of the commissioner is chastising the FFI until they submit. I don't know too many catholics who refer to the universal church as a cult so I immediately read this statement as being uttered by a non-catholic. I also detect a hint of vicarious sadism in how this person characterizes the ministrations of the commissioner as "cruelly breaking down their will until they conform". I agree with him that that is what the commissioner is doing, but I can guarantee you that the commissioner would never characterize his activities as essentially torture.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-84793152684737764952014-01-12T11:45:17.290-08:002014-01-12T11:45:17.290-08:00Surely there are organizations and individuals wit...Surely there are organizations and individuals within the Church who exhibit what can be called "cult-like" behavior? <br /><br />But I marvel at how you can read someone's Catholicism based on a mere suggestion.Tancredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16015531337154301560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-7604443615328583822014-01-12T11:35:45.670-08:002014-01-12T11:35:45.670-08:00..."does anyone else think that this mission ......"does anyone else think that this mission against the franciscans is a test-case?" <br /><br />It had occurred to me, viterbo.Aged parenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05217229048176272954noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-62037666974162284112014-01-12T10:41:10.336-08:002014-01-12T10:41:10.336-08:00Your statement can only be understood that you are...Your statement can only be understood that you are not Catholic, since you call the faith of those who are participating in this thread a "cult" using your PC scare quotes. I proclaim to you that Jesus Christ is God Incarnate. You are obligated to assent to that claim under penalty of eternal damnation. The choice is yours. If you do not assent, we have absolutely zero interest in what your opinion is about our Church so take your busy-body kibitzing elsewhere.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-37520678220941450352014-01-12T09:53:55.792-08:002014-01-12T09:53:55.792-08:00Maybe someone can correct me, but isn't this t...Maybe someone can correct me, but isn't this the way 'cults' treat their members when they err? They cruelly break down their will until they conform? What is the difference?<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-51010086906588755032014-01-12T09:06:30.373-08:002014-01-12T09:06:30.373-08:00You are correct. It is simply not reasonable to th...You are correct. It is simply not reasonable to think he is ignoroant of it. It is his business to know. And he will be held responsible whether he knew or not.CJnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-52350801754008357472014-01-12T07:21:38.245-08:002014-01-12T07:21:38.245-08:00Not to be argumentative but rather instructive the...Not to be argumentative but rather instructive the comparison of the persecution of St. John of the Cross and an order are different in kind and magnitude. St. John was a single priest far from Rome. The FFI is an entire order of 800 religious who have been accused of no specific acts of heresy or schism and their persecution is being done in broad daylight so to speak with the full knowledge of the Pope. Their only sin seems to be tradition. And the majority of the persecution has occurred under a Pope who had practiced the rites of another religion when bishop, questioned miracles of Our Lord (the multiplication of the loaves and fishes) and blasphemed Our Lady (by making statements that effectively called into question whether she was preserved from sin - only one not preserved from sin could contemplate blaspheming the Almighty by questioning his promises). This is entirely unprecedented! I used to feel ashamed to live in a time when the Church is so corrupt but now I only feel culpability. In hardier times the faithful of Rome would have stormed the Vatican for the statements about Our Lady alone!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-49110574485353879692014-01-12T07:01:23.792-08:002014-01-12T07:01:23.792-08:00May I suggest that perhaps the best way of support...May I suggest that perhaps the best way of supporting the FFi is to attend a Day with Mary and pray for them. There is one coming up on 25th January at Westminster Cathedral. For others see:<br /><br />http://www.adaywithmary.org/index.php/eventsNicolas Bellordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08063019108964247676noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-63282194753397816162014-01-12T06:41:17.631-08:002014-01-12T06:41:17.631-08:00It is simply not credible that the Pope doesn'...It is simply not credible that the Pope doesn't know how the FFI are being persecuted and the Institute suppressed. It is not prudent or honest to irrationally presume ignorance on the part of the Pope. Lyndahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01714204002726632689noreply@blogger.com