tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post1081005762543816832..comments2024-03-28T08:42:07.659-07:00Comments on The Eponymous Flower: Pope Francis “is a Great Friend of Liberation Theology”Tancredhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16015531337154301560noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-90906505928067409562019-05-20T15:00:58.390-07:002019-05-20T15:00:58.390-07:00I’m not a member of Opus, but I have been critical...I’m not a member of Opus, but I have been critical of them.<br /><br />Tancredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16015531337154301560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-10568090613306006902019-05-20T14:55:51.894-07:002019-05-20T14:55:51.894-07:00"Cardinal Thorne thinks Müller is a good Theo..."Cardinal Thorne thinks Müller is a good Theologian, but is naive about LT. He further complains that when he was corrected by Cardinal Ratzinger to make changes in his book, he doesn’t seem to have done so."<br /><br />(1) only opus devils would care what Cardinal Thorne thinks: "He was the first priest incardinated into Opus Dei to be made a cardinal"<br /><br />https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juan_Luis_Cipriani_Thorne<br /><br />I guess like Ratz, as long as say they are 'mistaken,' Thorne can look the other way when Muller is awarded for his 'mistaken' (heretical) 'theology.' [Guess that's why all the 'prolife' protestors can continue to congregate & prey w/the pro-abortion & pro-sodomy heretical and wicked]<br />https://www.traditioninaction.org/RevolutionPhotos/A478-Muller-2.htm<br /><br />(2) "when he was corrected by Cardinal Ratzinger to make changes in his book, he doesn’t seem to have done so" --guess that was Wuerl's fault; surely that means Muller is a pedophile and a coverupper of pedophiles (but oh Vigano never mentioned it because Muller is an opus devil).<br /><br />Kramer convicted, Müller rewarded "In March 2008, Fr. Peter Kramer pleaded guilty to sexual abuse of one of the boys of the Riekofen parish. He was charged with abusing the ten-to-eleven-year-old boy 22 times during a period of two years (2004-2006)....Bishop Müller’s complicity resulted in tremendous damage to boys and their families. But for him, there were no consequences. His career, under the smile of his protector Pope Ratzinger, soared."<br /><br />https://www.traditioninaction.org/HotTopics/a01z_002_Kramer.html<br /><br />https://www.traditioninaction.org/RevolutionPhotos/A477-Muller-1.htm<br /><br />(3) Does Cardinal Thorne & opus devil deny transsubstantiation?<br />https://www.traditioninaction.org/ProgressivistDoc/A_160_Muller_Trans.html<br /><br />(4) Are Novus Ordo Catholics, Protestants, opus devils and SSPX united in the same visible <br />church?<br />https://www.traditioninaction.org/ProgressivistDoc/A_159_Muller-Prot.html<br /><br />More and more we were told that the Catholic Church and the official Church are one and the same thing, both being visible, whereas the profession of the true Faith is the first criterion for being a member of the Catholic Church<br />https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/sr-mary-elisabeth-explains/<br /><br />(5) Does Opus Devil believe good thelogians deny the perpetual virginity of BVM?<br /><br />https://www.traditioninaction.org/ProgressivistDoc/A_161_Muller_Virgin.html<br /><br />(6) Does Opus Devil believe good theologians are public heretics? [So funny how you opus devils are using public heretics to question francis'heresies]<br /><br />https://www.traditioninaction.org/Questions/F062_Excom.htmAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-58544604675770527982019-05-19T11:40:05.851-07:002019-05-19T11:40:05.851-07:00Betto never was an advisor to the communist regime...Betto never was an advisor to the communist regime in Poland. He visited communist Poland two times for several days in ’80. For the first time Betto visited polish communists in 1986 before the amnesty for political prisoners. I was the lack of solidarity with the opposition activists imprisoned by communist regime, most of them Catholics. During his stay, he did not meet with the representatives of the Polish Church, but discussed the prospects for “dialogue” between Catholics and Marxists. He visited Poland for the second time in the autumn of 1987. Among others He gave a comprehensive interview to the communist party's "Trybuna Ludu", in which he "dialoged" about the cooperation of Catholics with the "left". In a country where the authorities treated the Church as an official enemy, and no priest could count on any publication in the state media, it was a very unpleasant break of the catholic community.<br /><br />Of course, Frei Betto tangled Christianity with Marxism. But his choices, though not excused, can be understood. As a twenty-year-old, before he could learn anything about the world and communism, he learned im prison the "justice" of a brutal dictatorship that declared the defense of traditional order. After 4 yeat=rs in prosuon he commited himself to the poor, whose poverty and the primitive conditions of material and spiritual life that follow him shake so many consciences. He had permanently lived on high emotional revolutions and accepted the principle that "the enemy of my enemy is my friend". Therefore he became communist, because communists were enemies of the dictatorship. Yes, this principle is a detail of the general rule "the goal justifies the means" - not very evangelical, but several times even the popes happened to apply it. Whoever never applied this principle can throw the stone.<br />Despite of that, there are some common points. In the interview after the election of Franciszek, Betto about John Paul II expressed his respect revealing that he had the head on the right side, but the heart on the left. Doctrinely conservative in social matters, the pope about neoliberalism, the international financier, the accumulation of wealth in the hands of the few and unjust redistribution, spoke similarly to the liberation theologians. In the interview with the Castro, the only matter in which Betto did not accept the dictator's point of view is the encyclic of Paul VI "Humanae vitae" about the sanctity of human life. He recognized the financing of abortion in poor countries from western aid funds for health care as a sign of neo-colonialism ("A woman goes to a health center with a headache caused by pregnancy, and immediately to terminate her pregnancy was proposed to her"). Elsewhere, he pointed out that erasing the history from education was aimed at easier governance by the neo-liberal establishment deprived of memory of its past by the poor. And a few years after the fall of the Berlin Wall, when the Church triumphantly finished the end of history, Betto gave such an assessment of theology: "Having lost his reference to the world of the poor, he must face modernization in accordance with Nietzsche's optics. And he does not know who to send his discourse to. Everything points to the fact that soon the crisis will also embrace theology proclaiming the apologies of freedom (allegedly) to be achieved in capitalist countries. At present, the wave of consumerism, once again bringing with it a promise of social inequality and total permissiveness, is already beginning to worry those who have always believed that the West is Christian."<br />From the perspective of almost 30 years since this prophecy, it can not be denied that with all errors, the liberation theologians have something important to say. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-74215674701400770642019-05-18T19:28:49.170-07:002019-05-18T19:28:49.170-07:00Cardinal Thorne thinks Müller is a good Theologian...Cardinal Thorne thinks Müller is a good Theologian, but is naive about LT. He further complains that when he was corrected by Cardinal Ratzinger to make changes in his book, he doesn’t seem to have done so.<br /><br />Tancredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16015531337154301560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-9746239519753713892019-05-18T17:55:58.587-07:002019-05-18T17:55:58.587-07:00It’s true, I know Father Gustavo Gutiérrez well. I...It’s true, I know Father Gustavo Gutiérrez well. In 1988 I was invited to participate in a seminar conducted by him. I had my reservations, being familiar with the two declarations of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith on liberation theology published in 1984 and 1986 respectively. Yet I noticed that it is necessary to distinguish between a correct version of liberation theology and an incorrect one. In my opinion, good theology has God and His love as its starting point and is about the freedom and glory of God’s children. Therefore Christian theology deals with the God-given gift of salvation. Marxist anthropology is quite different from Christian anthropology because it regards man as deprived of freedom and dignity. Communism is about the dictatorship of the proletariat; good theology, on the contrary, is about love and freedom. Both communism and neo-liberal capitalism deny the transcendent dimension of human existence, restricting their action to the material sphere of human life. Capitalism and communism are two sides of the same coin. On the contrary, true liberation theology draws upon the Bible, the Fathers of the Church and the teaching of Vatican Council II to build up God’s kingdom.<br /><br />...The negative aspects of liberation theology referred to by Benedict XVI are the result of the misunderstanding and wrong application of this theology. There would be no such results if authentic theology were applied. Ideological differences create divisions in the Church. But this also happens in Europe where progressive Catholics are opposed to conservative Catholics. This reminds us of the situation in Corinth where some referred to Paul, others to Peter and others yet to Christ. But we must all be united in God because God unites, evil divides. Theology which divides is ideology. Authentic theology leads to God; therefore it cannot produce divisions.<br /><br />Your Excellency, on receiving your honorary degree from the Pontifical Catholic University of Peru, you condemned in your intervention “the infamy of our age: neo-liberal capitalism.” Is this a structure of evil?<br /><br />It is difficult to make comparisons between a structure of evil and personal sin, because every sin has a social dimension being committed within a social structure, be it the family, the place of employment, the social environment or the nation. Neo-liberal capitalism is one of those structures of evil of the 19th and 20th centuries which intended to do away with Christian values. But, as I said, behind each structure there are people who accept its principles; therefore behind each structure of evil there are personal sins.<br /><br />https://insidethevatican.com/uncategorized/liberation-theology-interview-archbishop-gerhard-ludwig-muller/<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-27950640129636773752019-05-18T17:50:04.701-07:002019-05-18T17:50:04.701-07:00The appointment of the Regensburg Archbishop as th...The appointment of the Regensburg Archbishop as the guardian of Catholic orthodoxy was a cause for concern, as he was accused of having been in contact with representatives of liberation theology (he is a friend of Gustavo Gutiérrez, with whom he co-authored a book entitled On the Side of the Poor: Liberation Theology). Yet this theology was condemned by John Paul II and the former prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. Liberation theology was therefore the main topic of our conversation.<br /><br />As a priest and bishop, you have always been very sensitive to the values of justice, solidarity and human dignity. How did you become interested in social problems?<br /><br />Archbishop Gerhard Ludwig Müller: I come from Mainz. Early in the 19th century there was a great bishop in my home town, Baron Wilhelm Emmanuel von Ketteler, a forerunner of the Church’s teaching on social doctrine. As a child I lived in a climate of social commitment. We must not forget that if we managed to establish a democratic society in Europe after the Second World War and the defeat of dictatorships, this is also to be credited to the social doctrine of the Catholic Church. Thanks to Christianity, values like justice, solidarity and human dignity have been introduced into the constitutions of many countries.<br /><br />Your CV features numerous connections with Latin America. How did your link with the Latin American Church originate?<br /><br />I visited Peru and other Latin American countries for fifteen years. I stayed there for two or three months a year, living a simple life like the common people. At first this is very hard for a European, but when one gets to know the natives and becomes familiar with their way of life, one can accept everything. A Christian is at home everywhere; Christ is present wherever there is an altar; you are part of God’s family, no matter where you are.<br /><br />When you were appointed prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith last year, some accused you of being closely linked to Father Gustavo Gutiérrez, the initiator of liberation theology. How do you reply to this?<br /><br />https://insidethevatican.com/uncategorized/liberation-theology-interview-archbishop-gerhard-ludwig-muller/<br /><br /><br />and, for his collaboration with the theologian Gustavo Gutiérrez, the University of Lima in Peru also granted him an honorary doctorate.<br /><br />http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/muller/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20160519_biografia-muller_en.html <br /><br />Francis reveals he concelebrated Mass with Cardinal Muller and Gustavo Gutierrez<br />https://www.ncronline.org/news/theology/francis-reveals-he-concelebrated-mass-cardinal-muller-and-gustavo-gutierrez<br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-84290556340053995702019-05-18T04:00:36.435-07:002019-05-18T04:00:36.435-07:00How is that working out for the people of the barr...How is that working out for the people of the barrio?Reagan's Bushhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16079994732139505841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-8740788424887698842019-05-17T20:59:49.576-07:002019-05-17T20:59:49.576-07:00BSBSTancredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16015531337154301560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-3580600357553334252019-05-17T19:11:33.143-07:002019-05-17T19:11:33.143-07:00Cardinal Mueller was a student of Fr Gustavo Gutie...Cardinal Mueller was a student of Fr Gustavo Gutierrez OP, often spent months with him in the barrios and co-authored a book with him. Gutierrez's theology of liberation centers on the integral dignity of the human person, not armed insurrection.Peter Watsonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-25479343693751660242019-05-17T16:25:41.246-07:002019-05-17T16:25:41.246-07:00"I believe in a god without religion". T..."I believe in a god without religion". The fear is that Bergoglio is of a like mind.JBQhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09344181644293746758noreply@blogger.com